Comments on: Brown takes issue with Navy coach's comments

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By: domermom

domermom — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:54:24 +0000

I’ve been an ND fan for the last 16 years, since my son first planned to attend ND. How much of the team’s current problems are due to the coaching staff I don’t know, but they’re pathetic these days. And this crybaby attitude is ridiculous. The Navey coach didn’t say anything terrible. And if I were Brown, I sure wouldn’t bring up the subject of personal fouls considering ND’s accumulation of them this year.

By: drew

drew — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 03:09:33 +0000

The point is the Irish got beat for a second straight time in our own back yard by an undermanned and undertalented team. I feel that they earn the right to say what they want to. I’m an Irish fan and the coaching staff just needs to man up and admit that you got beat.

By: ndndnd

ndndnd — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 23:28:20 +0000

Hey, all you ND fans crying about Navy cut blocking, you guys just got called for an illegal chop block that lost you the game. You all should be ashamed of yourselves for your dirty play.

By: ndndnd

ndndnd — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 23:27:43 +0000

Hey, all you ND fans crying about Navy cut blocking, you guys just got called for an illegal chop block that lost you the game. You all should be ashamed of yourselves for your dirty play.

By: mike ford

mike ford — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:50:12 +0000

I would like to know too and my guess would be 0

By: b dune

b dune — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:27:23 +0000

“gloves are off” – you better check that – ND has been playing like they are wearing “mittens”

By: irishfanintx

irishfanintx — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 12:56:33 +0000

Just curious–Does anyone know how many times in the last 5 years a NCAA team has been flagged for roughing the center on a field goal attempt?

By: mike teaster

mike teaster — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:57:07 +0000

Why did ND have gloves on

By: KT

KT — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 07:43:47 +0000

After thinking about it, here’s what I heard Coach Brown say in the presser:
“Does anyone have any Vagisil I can borrow? It really hurts! Those Navy men were pretty rough. I hope those Sailors didn’t give me the ####!! That wouldn’t be fair, and I’m really angry about how they treated me.”

By: leomcm

leomcm — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:26:52 +0000

Navy can make a lot of teams look bad. They made ND look like crap. Oh well. Live with it. What this team needs is to get their heads out of their you know what’s and play like hell for the rest of the season, take no prisoners, and let the chips fall where they may. I want to see some Pete Duranko’s, some Stonebreakers, some Hornungs who were hard as nails… oh yea, and a few Jim Lynch’s, who after beating the crap out of SC walk up to the SC team, remove their front bridge ( that’s teeth) to you youngsters, and say yap, yap, yap! Stop your F in complaining. Let the other guys complain because of some “A” kickin’ block that knocks the “S” out of one of their players. Come on “C B”. Yap! Yap! Yap!

By: Bill

Bill — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:47:49 +0000

The gloves are coming off? After hearing all the bluster about how you’re going to pay USC back for beating you time and time again, ND’s threats aren’t all that scary.
Fear the Goat.

By: Nate

Nate — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:20:37 +0000

Robert you need to read the rule book. Cut blocks are legal except for a few situations. Accidents do happen however. I’ve only seen 3 Navy games this year but I don’t remember any flags for illegal blocks. The play in question was cheap but he did get his head across.
Moaning about it after losing to Navy just makes you look like a bunch of whiney losers. You gave up over 300 yards rushing to a triple option team. ND’s defense plays undisciplined football and tackles poorly. It shouldn’t have been a surprise. That all comes down to coaching.
Every team since Charlie was hired has been weak on fundamentals, especially on the defensive side of the ball. None of CW’s teams have been particularly physical either.
Be happy you don’t have to play Georgia Tech. Paul Johnson’s team would’ve rung up 600+ on that sorry excuse of a defense last saturday.

By: Irish Eyes

Irish Eyes — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:27:02 +0000

This had nothing to do with the outcome.That being said that was a Bullsh*t shot. If Notre Dame does that they would be crucified – no pun intended.

By: Wags

Wags — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:06:35 +0000

In the immortal words of Archie Bunker, “Stifle it!”

By: grandpashyena

grandpashyena — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:41:21 +0000

This is exactly what folks are talking about. Whine, whine, whine. Conspiracy, conspiracy, Conspiracy. You have the pick of recruits, your own T.V. network, the Catholic Church ( minus a few folks at BC) and you still can’t get over that you can actually lose a game. Notre Dame is a great University and sports program. Act like it. Also, adjust your meds.

By: robertg

robertg — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 07:28:59 +0000

keith,
1. the gloves are already off right now.
2. while there is very little that charlie and his staff and notre dame’s student athletes can say or do about dishonest officiating, rules enforcement(including intentionally illegal conduct during games shielded by dishonest officials), and rankings systems, we are not restricted by any such “sportsmanship” conduct rules(aka keep quiet about the dishonest officiating and dirty plays).
3. cut blocking was made illegal with each violation requiring a 15 yard penalty and continuing voilations primarily because of the on the field tactics of one team, navy.
4. the irrefutable evidence demonstates that the navy coaches and many navy players knew in advance of the game that they were going to get free passes from the officiating crew on more than 90% of navy’s cutblocks and other illegal acts, the primary purpose of which was to injure notre dame student athletes seriously.
5. navy’s coaches and players have to deal not only with us in the civil courts. they also have to deal with the naval academy’s honor code and the authorities that enforce that code.
6. like corwin, we are angry. unlike corwin, we have the tools in the civil courts to get even.
7. if anyone is expecting that notre dame’s student athletes are going to get down in the sewers and engage in cut blocking and other illegal conduct to counter such conduct by other teams, forget about that.
8. and no, we are not going to shut up. therte will be very public civil jury trials on these issues and anyone who wants to come into those courtrooms and try the shut up defense is more than welcome to try.
9. however, our experience has been that such individuals are justifiably afraid to come out from behind their phony internet identities.
GO IRISH!!!

By: EP

EP — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:17:13 +0000

The story focused on Corwin Brown, but the author doesn’t mention his role on the team. The reader is left to guess whether Corwin is on the staff or a player, offensive or defensive side of the ball? Very poor writing.

By: willmose

willmose — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:46:02 +0000

The coaches at ND just whine. How about coaching the talent you have instead. I know it requires hard work and that notion seems foreign to both the Notre Dame coaches and players. Shut up and play or join Division II and whine.

By: Diablo

Diablo — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:30:44 +0000

Wow…A service academy is accused of being dirty…by Notre Dame of all teams. I am amazed to hear from a school that has the only national TV deal in the country, all the blue chippers they could possibly want, and an almost unlimited sports budget, wine and moan about fairness and accuse a service academy, during two concurrent wars (so we pretty much know where most of these kids are heading and it ain’t the NFL), on Veterans’ Day. Cut blocks are not illegal and since the Academy has entrance standards, how the heck are they supposed to play when they are outweighed by 40 lbs a man?

By: Expected Better

Expected Better — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:38:33 +0000

Give me a break. How easy is it to hurt Corwin Brown’s feelings? I thought the program was better than this whining nonsense.

By: wongstory

wongstory — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:38:20 +0000

I must admit, I am getting very nervous about all this talk about Weis-guy being on the hot seat. I’ve noticed an interesting trend. For the first 3 years of the Hamburgler’s tenure, all the ND haters were were bashing the dude while all the ND faithful were blaming paint-dry-ty for all their woes. It is a hater’s worst nightmare to see the weis-guy get the axe. It’s similar to comics sorry to see Bush go. And who’s leading all this anti weis talk….. ND faithful.

By: mike ford

mike ford — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:21:04 +0000

My respect for those who served and are serving is great and I wish you well!! lookin forward to talkin with ya next year. GO IRISH!

By: Wetalkedonthefield

Wetalkedonthefield — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:00:34 +0000

Didn’t say I was happy with the Navy loss to Temple…just saying I didn’t hold it against our coaching staff. The team was in position to win. The players just failed to execute.
By the way, no slight against ND fans – I served with a couple of real stand-up guys who graduated from ND. Best wishes on the rest of your season.

By: mike ford

mike ford — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:04:29 +0000

If you watch the replay Jimmy was hit first and retaliated. Yes it still was a bad move on his part but it wasn’t cheap!! And your being a Navy fan well to be happy with a loss ???? OK you made the rivalry a rivalry again. Congrats on the win and you can believe we won’t even come close to overlooking you guys again!!

By: TLNDMA

TLNDMA — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:35:03 +0000

I’m not knocking Brown here, but I do feel the Navy coach was not way out of line. In his comments he mentioned how good of a job ND had done the previous year, he was correct in thinking they would do it again. John Tenuta in his mid-week press conference said they would do as much. Weis in his thursday presser, stated ND’s goal was to outrush Navy, the defenses play being a big part of that. We know how that turned out. The cheap hit was exactly that, if Brown wants to complain about it, so be it. The private phone call should have probably stayed private. I’m going to guess from Brown’s frustration that the call didn’t go too well.

By: Wags

Wags — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:23:27 +0000

Have we, Notre Dame, been reduced to whining? What happened to the days when, win or lose, Notre Dame always showed discipline and class? I didn’t even hear about the Navy coach’s comment, but if he said they had a better game plan, he was right. If he said they outplayed us, he was right. From what I saw, Navy had a better plan, was more disciplined, played harder and executed better. They deserved to win. They earned it on the field.
The problem is not that we lost. It’s the way we lost, and the way we handled it. That’s a leadership problem, and Coach Brown’s response is evidence of it.
Exhibit #2 might be Coach Brown’s comment about how they shut down Navy, “minus one mess up,” in the second half. Didn’t Navy already have three touchdowns and three hundred plus yards rushing by then? Sounds like closing the barn door…

By: Zach

Zach — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:18:38 +0000

We are all truly FAN(lun)anitics. We over analyze, and we obsess, we act like we seriously don’t have anything better to do.
Navy acts like they just won some kind of medal, and ND fans act like the sky is falling.
Bottom line is, “Nothing is ever as good as it seems, and nothing is ever as bad, but somewhere in between falls reality.”
I let you guess who authored that.