CW is a great ambassador at ND not for ND. The rest of the country knows CW from his first press conference, 60 minutes, decided schematic advantage, and perceived arrogance.

Golden Tate is great and if he has NFL speed, he will be a first day player. If he is, CW should encourage him to go.

Brent Musberger did make a good point relating to Manti 'the recruitment of Manti shows that ND can compete for recruits nationally'

What if we had taken say 2 minutes a drive on the two one minute drives we had, ran the ball more (like to keep the defense off the field), would Stanford have just had enough time to tie the game and we could have won in OT.

Toby Gerhart looked like a Jerome Bettis of John Riggins tonight.

ND defense is horrible. D coordinator's faults? sure....CW's fault? some....Unfortunately for CW he is the head coach and not just the OC for ND. What he did with the offense is incredible, you look at the numbers put up every game by Clausen, Tate, and friends and it is very hard to believe ND is 6-6. The head coach takes the blame...unfortunately...it's time to move on. I wish the best to CW, his family, and Hannah & Friends.

"Every game you will have a decided schematic advantage" to his players and, "Now it's time for the X's and O's. Let's see who has the advantage now" to the press. Charlie fell into the old mistake of overpromising and underdelivering. He's a pompous, arrogant windbag and ND will be much the better for it once they let him go. And all the talk about Clausen and Tate bolting for the NFL if Weis is fired? So what? Clausen is to college football what Dan Marino was to the NFL. A stat machine that never delivered a title (or in his case a significant victory of any kind). And Clausen is nowhere near ready for the NFL. He will get a rude awakening there. Whereas I think Tate will be fine. But if ND is the plum coaching assignment and playing destination it holds itself up to be, they can be replaced. If ND hires the right guy, it will take a couple of recruiting classes, but they can get back to the top of the mountain. I have no doubt about that. Which would suck for me, 'cause I'm a SC guy.

One more time. Can you say Tommy Tuberville as the next head coach for ND?

Wait, so NOW the excuse du jour is that Weis would have won and everything would have worked out, if only he had a media relations team that is as good as Pete Carroll's? Um...okay.

ND put up a bigger fight against Stanford than I initially thought. I give credit to the players, who played hard and tried to win for the coach and for themselves. But Clausen should have been suspended from the game for shoving a guy in the throat outside a bar last week. And like many teams, ND had no answer for Stanford's Toby Gerhart. The TD he threw was a gutsy call on 4th down. I don't like Harbaugh, but I have to tip my hat to that play call.

Oh, and Robert T. Gilleran, MY associates who were at the ND - Stanford game, as well as my associates at the UCLA - USC game, both report that although they looked long and hard for YOUR associates, they saw no one wearing an "I'm With Stupid" t-shirt. What gives?

bak, you said it all. Notre Dame CAN come back. Whether they will, and how long it will take, is an open question. I think Keith Arnold is now trying to lower expectations, as is most of the ND-friendly media. That's good; the expectations have been out of proportion for a long time.

I agree with you about Clausen. I think you think more highly of Golden Tate than I do. Most of all I don't like his trash-talking. Wait until you've done something as a professional before you do that. He's fast and he has talent, but he didn't do anything special against any GOOD teams this year. Stanford's secondary isn't good. And I don't know why he didn't get a celebration penalty on that long TD pass, where he was looking back at the defenders and talking smack even before he crossed the goal line.

I am not convinced that he will succeed against taller corners that are at least as fast as he is. He's, what, 5'11"? Strong hands don't mean much if the ball gets swatted away. Wait until he plays against NFL secondaries, instead of the soft schedule ND plays against. I don't think he's Percy Harvin, and the scouts think he'll be a second-rounder. By the way, how lucky did Harvin get going to a team with Favre, Peterson, AND a good defense?

The announcers in the ND game talked about Gerhart because he played an incredible game, and he's been doing that all year. More to the point, not only did his team win, but his team won because of HIM. Tate's team didn't win, and Tate didn't carry his team on his back. Heisman trophies are about two things: Wins, and WOW factors. Tate didn't win, and he doesn't wow anyone except moony-eyed Irish fans. Stats mean a lot less if you are .500.

Speaking of which, where's Charlie Weis to tell us that "if you wanted a .500 team, you got the wrong guy?" What he said about a "decided schematic advantage" was true; the advantage just wasn't with Weis's team (hello, NAVY?). I can't believe some people are still trying to say Weis isn't arrogant. He's just misunderstood. So's Kanye West. Deep down, he's a good guy. But no one wants to look that closely at him, because they're too appalled at what a jerk he presents himself as...

Oh, and bak (and Kejji), what'd you think of Barkley's 55 yard bomb to Williams at the end of the UCLA game? I agree with Pete Carroll; if Neuheisel wants to call a time out, that must mean he thinks the game isn't over. We showed him that it WAS. The football monopoly in LA is STILL over. Specifically, it's over in the north end of South Central, where Neuheisel was pointing in the advertisement his school was stupid enough to take out, that is! Fight on, Trojans!

1. according to the con artist media shills, charlie weis and his staff were fired weeks ago, only to be exposed as the con artists that they always have been by notre dame ad jack swarbrick today.
2.charlie weis and his staff and notre dame's fine and courageous real student athletes defeated on the field tonight the same fine stanford sudent athletes who blew away pete carroll's crooked full time football players with zero academic obligations at the mausoleum and another team of full time football players with zero academic obligations from oregon.
3. yet, this same stanford team was able to put a temporary very close paper win over notre dame in the records only with the assistance of another dishonest crew of big east officials and some gutless wonders in the notre dame administration.
4.we would certainly understand if charlie and his staff and many of the fine student athletes who also play football for notre dame now left notre dame in disgust because of the disgraceful manner in which they have been treated by notre dame ad jack swarbrick, by notre dame president father jenkins and by certain other people within notre dame.
5. if any of these things do happen, notre dame football has no future.
6. however,whatever happens with notre dame football, we will make certain, in the civil courts, that every person and entity involved with crooked college sports enterprises has no economic future, including every media shill that has provided cover for these con operations.
7. being an irish catholic and knowing a great deal abouit what my ancestors went through with certain evil elements of the british empire( the most powerful on this planet, along with a crooked court system which condemned some of my realtives to death or slavery after"fair" trials) for over 800 years, i know how many times those elements of the british empire, on which the sun sets very often these days, wrote and said " why don't these irish people just accept the fact that they are beaten?
8. my associates of jewish and armenian and other ancestries have had even more powerful empires attempting to wipe them off the face of the earth or just accept surrender for much longer than 800 years.
9. anyone who thinks that we are going to back down from destroying in the civil courts every person and entity involved with this wimp con operation crooked college sports enterprises has failed to read and understand history and learn from history and is doomed economically to see the lesons of history be repeated in their own eccnomic lives in the civil courts.
10. there is nothing that anyone can do or post or say that is going to change these inevitable economic outcomes in the civil oourts.
11.we move extremely quickly these days, although we use only economic violence in the civil courts.
12. in ireland and in other cultures and societies, the traitors within were always much more dangerous enemies than the surface opponents. we defeated them all.
GO IRISH!!!

TJ - I agree Tommy Tuberville for the next head coach. It is time to clean house. The only improvement I've seen from last year's 6-6 team to this years 6-6 team is now the blowouts from 2008 are now close losses this year. End result is still the same.

Keith, 2 points, Toby Gerhart is a legit Heisman candidate. If Clawson leaves and Dayne Crist is out for spring practice, who's fault is it that there is no 3rd string QB? It is not Ty's.

robertg - Thanks, I now having something to laugh at as I sleep tonight. Do you actually have proof of your allegations? Don't worry, it is all part of the alien cover-up backed by the shawdow government. They control the outcome of ND football games. However, if these aliens can play ball, ND should recruit them

Stephen:

I think I was pretty clear that Notre Dame lost football games because of shoddy defense and mediocre special teams, it has nothing to do with PR. Don't try to paint me with a brush and use selective quotes in your comments.

Also -- I know you spend your time on a Notre Dame blog, so maybe you were too busy trolling here to notice the poor sportsmanship on display in the Coliseum tonight, where your squad threw a deep ball in the final garbage minute against UCLA, then nearly started a riot because neither team had a shred of sportsmanship. A pretty embarrassing encounter by the two football teams that represent the city of Los Angeles. Act like you've been there before...

As for Golden Tate, just look at what the guy has done on the field. You make it seem like Tate played a MAC schedule, ND has a top 25 schedule and Tate played his best in the biggest games. He's a WR, he can't be expected to stop the run as well. You'd be a far more legitimate poster if you could simply acknowledge the fact that Tate's one of college football's most electric players, instead of proclaiming you know what NFL Scouts are saying about Golden. Success in college hardly means a great NFL career (USC fans should know), but to discredit Tate for the reasons you did make you sound like even more of a homer.

ND is in my blood. But i never want ND to market its coaches good deeds. this is at its heart a catholic college (true Catholics will get that point without explanation). I care far more about ND football than anyone should, but i would never think about marketing a coaches compassion simply to sell the program. we'll leave that to USC and the Tebow media machine. football is football. Wies is a stand up guy, but he made a ton of money and will most likely do good with it away from ND. I love this blog but I will say this...... ND needs to go back to its roots. Notre Dame Our Mother Pray for us!

1. we have much more and much better evidence than we had when we brought down, in the civil courts, the enron and mci worldcom con operations, along with many more experienced and well financed trial attorneys all over the us than we had in those cases.
2. because of the internet and wire fraud( tv and radio) rules on jurisdiction and venue, we can choose any court that we want in the us and enforce all judgements all over this world through the treaties on enforcements of judgments to which even brazil, switzerland, costa rica, and every offshore jurisdiction where pete carroll and others think that they have assets safely hidden are signatories.
3. we also know every illegal asset hiding trick in the book.
4. by the way, our ucla spies report that not one person wearing stephen of troy gear showed up at the mausoleum for the ucla/usc game, thus confirming what we already knew-that stephen and his associates are gutlees wonders.
5. in case you have forgotten how we proceed with such projects, we 1st hit with lawsuits those with whom we might be willing to settle if they fess up and tell the truth. we are well along in that phase already.
6. then, after we finish with that phase and give everyone who dererves an opportunity to settle out of court that opportunity, we move on to the no out of court settlement parties and continue until every one of those parties hits the bk courts(we follow them there also) or until we take all of their material assets by default judgments or by judgments after trial.
7. anyone who had bothered to check the publicly available court records in the enron and mci worldcom civil rico cases would already know these simple things.
9. anyone who wants to can still obtain those records, for a fee, from pacer.com or from other internet services.
10. we will be posting the information on every trial on the internet so that anyone can come and watch.
11. however, we do have to warn certain people that our process servers will be waiting in the courthouses and in the courtrooms all over the us.
12. the answer in advance to your questions is that no one is protected from being served with any civil lawsuit in any courthouse or in any court room.
GO IRISH!!!

What if there was a 100% chance of Clausen and Tate staying if Charlie stays? Assuming a new Defensive Coordinator and Defensive coaching staff, some top notch Defensive recruits, and some 5 star Offensive Linemen recruits, would any of the NO votes change to YES for one more year (at least the NO votes who want ND to win)? Without Clausen/Tate, the 2010 season is likely 6-6 kind of "rebuilding" year at best, and, at worst, a 3-9 kind of bust. All of the assumptions I stated above are at least possible if Charlie stays for one more year and goes recruiting asap. If Charlie gets canned, all of these assumptions are either highly unlikely or impossible. Swarbrick could say to Charlie "stay for one more year if Clausen and Tate stay and agree to a new one year contract to replace the 10 year deal." ND gets to compete for a BCS championship in 2010, instead of watching a throw away season. Keith Arnold has suggested that we think about the program, not just the coach. Where does a coaching change really leave us 2010?

1. if charlie and his staff stay at notre dame with a long term commitment from the notre dame administration and a public attack by the notre dame administration on the current corrupt officiating, rules enforcement, and rankings systems by notre dame as an institution, then notre dame football has a fine future,but not for 2010 or for a few years, because the loss of large numbers of key 2010 and future recruits due to the inexcusable conduct of jack swarbrick and certain other members of the current notre dame administration.
2. without charlie and his staff at notre dame under those conditions, notre dame football has zero future, even if touchdown jesus himself were to take the notre dame head coaching job, something which touchdown jesus would not even consider now.
GO IRISH!!!

All forums for college football carry so much hate! Adversarial "sports"(where the game ends with a winner AND a loser) will ALWAYS ENGENDER hate. It is built in! Yet, adversarial "sports" gain the largest amount of fanatics. It's human nature...to vicariously trample on perceived adversaries and their fanatics with the most permanent and brutal dispatch. It's built into the "game"itself.

Oh, Robert T. Gilleran, now you're moving the goalposts. I never said you could not serve me with a lawsuit. I said your lawsuit wouldn't survive a motion to dismiss or demurrer, depending on whether you file it in federal or state court.

Clients often ask me "can I be sued for ______?" And I always tell them, "yes." You can be sued for anything. That's not the question to ask. The question to ask is, "can you win?"

ND fans ought to ask that question of their next head football coach. Unless, of course, they are going to pretend that wins and losses don't matter, and they've fired 4 coaches (counting Weis, since he already apparently cleaned out his office, according to the reports) in a decade because all 4 coaches had halitosis or something.

Robert T. Gilleran, I wish you'd taken my advice to leave well enough alone. You made me laugh out loud and when I did, I spilled my orange juice. I'll add my dry cleaning bill to the memorandum of costs I file after your suit gets tossed. Ask your associates if you've forgotten what a memo of costs is. Assuming that your associates haven't fled to Brazil in hopes of evading your requests that they sue the Easter Bunny for you.

1. for every bcs division game every week, our expert witnesses, who are fans of no school, do a breakdown of every game film of every bcs division game, fousing on officiating, both called and uncalled penalties and other officiating calls.
2. i now have their full report on the notre dame/stanford game and what the real score was if the game had been honestly officiated by this big east conference game officiating crew.
3. the real score is notre dame 66 stanford 7.
4. while there are numerous acts of dishonest officiating by the big east officiating crew( the pac 10 tech review crew committed only one major error. they failed to overturn a very late td call by the head game official on a clear non catch by stanfod's whalen-the ball hit the ground well before he caught the ball and the film evidence is overwhelming) and it is quite obvious that stanford coach jim harbaugh knew he had the big east game officials in his pocket and instructed the stanford players to cheat to win, which is exactly what the stanford players did throughout the game.
5. stanford student athletes do not normally cheat at any sport nor will the stanford board of trustees keep harbaugh around when they see the evidence.
6. basically, as the game film indicates to our experts, harbaugh's orders were to engage in offensive holding, personal fouls, defensive false starts, and defensive pass inteference throughout the game knowing that penalties would only very rarely be called.
7. as was not true of the honest pac 10 officials at stanford's loss to cal, harbaugh knew that he had these dishonest big east game officials in his pocket and they delivered a phony paper win for harbaugh and stanford.
8. using the services of dishonest officials is something that harbaugh learned about at michigan and brought with him to stanford, a school which does not tolerate such conduct by its coaches in any sport once the evidence gets to the members of stanford's board of trustees and we will make certain that it does.
9. in civil court trials, judges and juries must accept the testimony of qualified experts over any other testimony.
10. so, come on down to the public civil jury trials, stephen or troy and those like you. try and fail to get yourselves qualified as expert witnesses and, if any of you actually have the guts to show up, our process servers will be there with your civil; lawsuits, not that they will not find you anyway when you wimp out yet again.
11. someone with some real sense and love of notre dame posted something about getting back to notre dame's core values and what a coaching change would do to notre dame football.
12. look at the evidence of the manners in which members of the notre dame administration have dealt with bob davie, tyrone, and charlie.
13. with the exception of former notre dame ad,kevin white, who quit notre dame for duke over these very issues, notre dame's administration has refused to learn the very basics of college football officiating rules and even trying to look at game films broken down by experts, which are easily available through charlie's staff in that area.
14. instead, notre dame's administration, including current ad jack swarbrick and notre dame president father jenkins, have gone right along with the media con artists and notre dame's enemies and hung charlie and his staff and notre dame's student athletes who also play football out to be tortured by the media vultures who are paid by notre dame's enemies.
15. the gross violations of notre dame's core values? notre dame is a loyal family and the very last thing that anyone entrusted with decision making power at notre dame should do is exactly what notre dame's administration has done with bob davie, tyrone, and charlie.
15. the negative efects on recruiting are empirically right there for anyone to see.
16. during that terrible on the field transition year of 2007( because of prior failures to recruit, charlie and his staff had no choice but to field a team composed largely of 1st year players with no experience and no preparation for the college level), charlie and his staff had worked so hard that they had reversed the immense distrust of notre dame among recuits and their families and among high school coaches.
17. instead of letting these media vultures descend on charlie and his staff and on notre dame's student athletes, former ad kevin white, who had vehemently opposed thje manners in which notre dame's adminstration had dealt with davie and tyrone. issued press releases and gave interviews to the press confirming that charlie would be at notre dame for the long haul.
18. the results in recruiting were stunning. despite a 3 win season, marked with many blowout losses, with no dishonest officiating required, charlie and his staff and notre dame's student athletes hauled in the nation's no 1 recruiting class, who are now sophomores at notre dame.
19. in 2008, the inaction of jack swarbrick cost notre dame a number of key recruits for the 2009 recruiting cycle since they and their families and coaches were, quite correctly, concerned about coaching instability at notre dame.
20. the damages already done for notre dame's 2010 and future recruiting classes are already immense.
21. if charlie and his staff do leave notre dame, that damage becomes irreversible forever.
22. the student athletes already at notre dame committed to charlie, not to notre dame.
23. if charlie and his staff leave, most of their recruits leave also.
24. there are plenty of other schools where they can get educations equal to a notre dame education and get their shots at the nfl without having thgeir coaches and themselves vilified by media con artists and hung out to dry by the school's administration.
25. if charlie and his staff do leave notre dame, bank on every notre dame student athlete with nfl options leaving also. bank on a large number of transfers by many other key players and 2010 recruits.
26. bank on recruits and their families and high school coaches never trusting notre dame again.
27. do jack swarbrick and father jenkins not love notre dame? of course they do. are they both not highly intelligent men? they certainly are.
28. despite plenty of time and opportunities to learn, what have they learned aboiut college football officiating and recruiting? bupkis.
29. either jack swarbrick and father jenkins take immediately the actions which they should have taken early last season or notre dame football has no future at all.
30. despite what anyone may think, notre dame is not the only school to offer fine educations and great shots at the nfl.
31. at these other schools, student athletes who also play football can get quality educations and take their best shots at the nfl without watching their beloved coaches and themselves get vilified with regularity by vicious media shills.
GO IRISH!! STAY AT NOTRE DAME!!!

1. unlike other people, we post information so that people who want to can educate themselves and act accordingly.
2. our key focuses will always be on civil court cases and trials.
3. we have provided all of the posts and information that we are going to outside of the civil court actions.
4. notre dame has to make her own decisions. while i will be very sad if notre dame makes the wrong decisions, my many associates know nothing about notre dame.
5. for our part, we proceed on with the total economic destruction, in the civil courts, of every person and entity involved in crooked college sports enterprises and forcing, with extreme economic violence in the civil courts, 21st century high tech honest and transparent officiating, rules enforcement, and rankings systems down the throats of college football and college sports at the ncaa, conference, and school levels.
6. either notre dame football sticks with charlie and his staff and will remain around to enjoy those new honest systems or notre dame football will not.
GO IRISH!!!

The whole don't fire Weis because Clausen and Tate will leave is such a total farce. If they legitimately think they will be drafted in the 1st round they should go before the NFL rookie cap sets in (which the next CBA will most likely have) and Charlie should be telling them to go pro. If they won't be 1st round picks then they would be idiots to leave (unless there is truly some great personal financial need - then it doesn't matter whether Weis stays or not).

TO ALL BLOGGERS:

GROW-UP AND GET A LIFE! TRY TAKING A "TIME-OUT" AND THINK ABOUT THE FACT THAT FOOTBALL IS "ONLY A GAME" AND YOUR PERSONAL OPINIONS DON'T REALLY MATTER.

The defense was an absolute embarrassment this year!!

Keith, you were on point with this one. Nice column. Hit all the right notes.

Great article. Interesting point on the fact that ND and the media never really highlighted Charlie's charity work as much as they should have. It is similar to how the media ignores Bill Gates in this same area and focuses on negatives. It is a shame as it prevents the real person from being shown and more importantly becomes a missed opportunity to get others on board for that charity.

StephenofTroy says:
Charlie is arrogants.
StephenofTroy says:
Tate is not one of cfb's electric players.
StephenofTroy says:
Clausen should have been suspended.
StephenofTroy say:
It's not our fault that UCLA didn't like being shown up after that time out.
Gosh,StephenofTroy has convinced me!!!

I thought you would know better.... Everyone needs to ignore a couple people that post on this site. Maybe then they will go away. At least we can hope... If you think I'm talking about you I probably am....but you'll never know for sure.

The Five Things we learned -- Reality Check

1) Notre Dame's defense cost the Irish this season.
Translation: one of two explanations. Poor coaching on the defensive side was the problem. Or the world's greatest recruiter, aka Coach Weis, can't recruit defensive players. You pick them. Either way the problem starts at the top with Coach Weis.

2) Golden Tate is a transcendent player.
Translation: Golden Tate can play WR. One of the top five WR in college football. Pity he wasn't used more effectively by the coaching staff. Even so, it's hard to keep talent like his hidden.

3) Jack Swarbrick will certainly earn his salary this week.
Translation: It is nice to see that AD Swarbrick will stop gold bricking this week and start to earn some of his big bucks. Once he rubs the brown applesauce from his eyes, he may get a true view of his coaching staff.

4) The Irish football program is at a tipping point.
Translation: The Notre Dame football program was at a tipping point three years ago, when they decided that 3-9 was an okay season. The decision this week is fire Coach Weis or keep him on for the next 7 years. Five years is long enough to know whether or not Coach Weis is a keeper. There is no point in keeping Coach Weis another year to see if he gets better.

5) Charlie Weis is a great ambassador for Notre Dame.
Translation: Okay, Charlie Weis is a great ambassador for Notre Dame, unfortunately, he is Norte Dame's football coach, not their ambassador. As a football coach, Coach Weis is doing a crappy job. No amount of spin or PR can hide this simple fact.

What is truly going on is all the people associated with Notre Dame pretending that Coach Weis is a good football coach. The Notre Dame bloggers, PR staff, and fans have been telling us that Charlie Weis is the best football coach ever and never have to admit that his hire was a mistake and a bad one. We are instructed to pay no attention to the wins and loses as they are not the true measure of a football coach at this level.

For the ND football program to succeed again, those associated with it need to get a firm grasp on reality first. Good things might happen after that.

I know my opinion of you means nothing to you in your world, but Believe me I have supported you numerous times, and i feel as though you are a very intelligent man, now on the other hand some of this stuff is now getting a little too deep, I would love to believe alot of your pieces...It's getting a bit hard though with some of these claims! Why do you feel as though you should throw ND's administration under the bus for what is clearly a business decision and a little above most of our heads. I Love CW b/c he is a part of ND and I will always remember these very tumultuous years with him at the helm, I know you can't blame just him, but we can't take away from the team we have become either with the blame game! You have posted that ND is doomed b/c of merely a coaching change, REALLY, arrogant or not WE ARE NOTRE DAME and we will move past this just like all the other teams do when faced with such a challenge. Hate to keep being silly(hee hee) with these tid-bits but there never has been an I in team and this is a team last time I checked, We will be fine!! GO IRISH!!!!!

1. we just stopped by to print out our last post and we find some posters ordering people what to think, including a comment that college football is just a game.
2. we have never taken kindly to anyone telling us what to think or do.
3. in the real world, real issues are decided by honest judges and juries based on the admissible evidence presented to them. in that world, all personal opinions, except for those of expert witneses, are simply not relevant or admissible evidence.
4. the only decisions that matter are those made by real judges and real juries in real court trials.
5. mere games do not involve con artists fleecing the public of billions of dollars every year and coveying messages to our children and younger generations that cheating is just fine as long as you get away with cheating.
6. the people who victimized millions in the enron and mci worldcom scams thought that what they were doing was also just a game, even though they were ruining the lives of many victims.
7. in its current corrupt mode, crooked college sports enterprises are multi billion dollar a year con operations
8. we have the knowledge,the evidence, the resouces, the experience andthe moral and ethical responsibities to put those con operations out of business in the civil courts.
9 this is what we have been doing and will continue to do until the task is completed.
GO IRISH!!!

YOU two lawyers need to grow up!

Notre dame defence is not good at all maybe some one need 2 sucker punch the cordinator instead of the quaterback. The only thing they had going for them is golden tate. Im am so glad weis is going to be gone. cause it aint no way they should have loss 6 games with that schedule. charlie weis should be shot. as well as the offence and defence cordinator. Where did they find these guys who did this hiring. I just hope i dont see a season like this next year

I will say that defense has been our problem all year. If you look at Clausens numbers it will tell the tale of a great offense that had no defense to back them up. Hire Romeo Crennel as defense coordinator, keep Weis as Head Coach and offensive coordinator. If you look at Rivals.com it will tell you that with Mant'i Teo and the soft verbal commitment of 5 star commit. They will have a chance for greatness next year with more defensive recruits and Clausen, Tate and Floyd coming back.

Man, tell me you did not go to college with that paragraph...

I think we need to ask ourselves a couple of questions here. I am no going to number them cause that really gets old. What gives us the best chance next year? Charlie, Jimmy, and Golden. ND fans need to chill out we lost close games no blow outs. When was the last time we didn't have a blow out all season? I cant even remember its been so long. This will probably get twisted but it is not all bad that are defense sucks. I mean we are like 28 point away from being undefeated so if we can just get a little pressure or just have average takling most of those would have been wins. We all know the one problem ND has, bad D so just have a solid recruiting class with Chalie who is the only hope to bringing back the best O we have ever had and have someone, anyone teach people how to tackle. With Charlie we only need an average D and we will be winning alot more than losing. Also what good would it had for charlie to go recruting? I mean all the stars currently at ND went for Charlie not for ND so if they are not sure he will be there then they wont go. It was smart to have the sit down before he will be on te recruiting trail. Charlie had brought us closer to the promise land than anybody since LOU. All the players believe in him and thats why we fight down to the wire. Now, back to my first point if Charlie is the best for 2010 he gives us a chance each week. Then why would he not be the best choice for 2011 and on the down the road.

I got up this morning. I smelled the coffee. It smelled good. I had some. I looked outside. It was a beautiful morning. Not "mourning", just morning. Life is good.

I seriously enjoy reading this blog. All the comments, most anyway are good, insightful, and fun. But still it is a beautiful morning. I think I'll go on a mountain bike ride up in these beautiful mountains I live in. LIFE IS GOOD. Wife told me I need to root for a team who can win. Wife just doesn't understand. But life is good. Going on a long MTB ride now. So long.

mef811 -- I care, I care! I'm not throwing the Administration under the bus, but I think there is a very real perception problem that Charlie Weis immediately lost. (He certainly didn't help himself with some of his early quotes...)

I never like teams/programs manipulating the media, but there's got to be a better way to win the growing war on public sentiment.

C'mon folks. Get on the Tommy Tuberville bandwagon. A great builder of defenses (asst at Texas A&M and HC at Auburn...while there, top 5 defenses) and recruiter of good kids, on and off the field.

Just got back from a hike in the woods, with my dog. Saw a deer loping along, while on hike. Hunting season starts Monday. Thought to myself, that dear has bigger worries than Charlie Weis. How was your ride?

My thoughts are lets keep Weis on. It seems most of those who want him gone will do it to the next coach in three years as well. If he is let go then one can guess Clausen and Tate are gone. Why learn a new system for one year? The recruits that have committed may change their mind. Why go to a program that is changing? They will ask themselves will I fit in the new defensive scheme? If I'm a WR will I fit a run oriented offense? These are questions I am sure will be answered this week. Do you realize Stanford and ND's records are almost the same for the last three years. Stanford has not been bowl elligable for I believe they said 7 years last night. NO calling for their coach to be fired on national tv. Weis is the first ND coach in the last 8 years to see a class he recruited go from freshman to seniors. A very weak class at best though. How can a program build if the media and fans are calling for the coach to be fired before one of his classes graduates. It takes time to build a program.

I will bet right now that the same posters will be here in three years calling for the next coach(if Weis is let go) to be fired too after going 3-9,5-7, 6-6, the next three years. No patience seen anywhere. The reason some of the top programs switched coaches and won is due to the talent pool that was there already. Weis won with an average offense his first two years. The defense was much better than they have now. The talent gap, lack of recruits killed Charlie's Irish teams his next two seasons. This team finally is getting the players it needs. To change coaches now will hurt the program more than it helps even in the long run. Why cant the Irish nation back its coach?

robertg:

I have to admit that when you started this tirade, I just laughed.

I'm not laughing anymore. Clearly, you have done your homework, and are on the brink of breaking this thing wide open.

I'm tired of the lies. I'm tired of losing sleep over fear of having this thing exposed.

In short, I'm ready to talk. I'm ready to aid you in exposing this vast conspiracy. People need to be held accountable for their evil deeds.

But if I am going to be your star witness, I need you to be able to guarantee me three things:

1) I will not be prosecuted. Yes, I am guilty of these crimes, but I never meant it to go this far. I started into this with the best of intentions, because I was too trusting, and too naive. I honestly believed that what we were doing was in the best interests of the college football system, and indeed for the USA. I was wrong.

2) The safety of my family. People do not realize just how powerful the people involved in this conspiracy really are. They are capable of doing very evil things and getting away with it. More importantly, they are willing to do these things.

3) An egg salad sandwich. If I'm going to testify, I'll probably be hungry. I hate when people use too much mayo with the egg salad; it just needs enough to ensure it isn't too dry. And some iced tea to wash down the sandwich would be great.

The ball is in your court, robertg. Let's get this done; for the benefit of our children, and for our children's children.

P.S. I disagree with your assertion that the real score was ND 66, Stanford 7. If you look at the game films and analyze them according to what would have happened if the officiating had been legit, I still think that ND would have missed that 48 yard field goal in the 3rd quarter. Let's call it ND 63, Stanford 7.

I agree 100% with your post. Charlie is the right man for the job. I don't think anyone that actually knows what they are talking about can honestly say that Charlie does not work the hardest and is one of the smartest guys in coaching today. WIth that being said how can you let him go? I would also like to point out that Jack Swarbrick is actually in charge he is not just a puppet and he has a lengthy check list for evaluation that has a lot more in depth things to consider than w L. Remeber no one at ND has even contacted a coach or anything. All we are hearing is rumors and talking heads on ESPN. Jack and charlie talked on the plane and we will know tuesday or wednesday at the latest. Also Jimmy and Golden are fighting for their coach and I m sure that Charlie will not just walk away quietly behind closed doors I m sure he is fighting for his job... if it is actually in jeporady.

Robertg:
O.K. brother, deep breath. Call the nurse, take your pills and have a long nap. How about a warm glass of milk.

Jake

im SURE if clausen and tate went to the AD and said "just give us one more year", he would keep Weis. They really will have NO qb going into spring, and although Crist has experience he wont with a new playbook when the season starts...aka a nice recipe for FUBAR

I hope so next year will be a 3-9 season without charlie. I believe we are a year away. If nothing else he should get to stay to see his players graduate. He has worked hard enough to earn that. I used to hate charlie especially when he was at New England but each and every week he shows more and more of his determination and his love for ND as well as his players. Charlie is truly a class act.

The Reason for Big East Refs is that ND is in the Big East for everything except football. So if they were to favor anyone itwould be a school in the Big East (except football)

robertg,

Thanks for all the info over the past season. Please inform us of the status of your purging college football of corruption. In return I'll keep you informed of any paper wins my Irish Setter puppy has.

Go Irish!!!

One comment to StephanieofTroy, the know it all from SC re: UCLA vs. USC game.

Pete Carroll is a an arrogrant little pup who roams the sidleines prancing around like a giddy little school girl. I don't give a fig about UCLA's time out; there is no execuse for such childish behavior on Carroll's part. Totally unprofessional, but completely in character.

For all of you worried about our recruits and saying things like, "these recruits committed to Charlie not to ND," take a deep breath. Coaches get fired all the time and any recruit who doesn't think that through could probably not get in to ND anyway. Do you mean to tell me that if Urban Meyer comes to ND, some recruit loyal to Weis would jump ship? Hardly. They're all waiting patiently to see what happens next. As for Clausen going to the NFL if Weis leaves, that's hogwash also. Clausen has been training with a QB coach since he was oh, 10 years old or so. Charlie is just his most recent one. He will go on to the NFL if the timing is right for HIM, regardless of how it impacts Weis, ND fans or anybody else. He will come out this year because he's the best pro-style QB on the board, and there's a lot of uncertainty next year with potential lock-outs, possible limits on rookie incomes, potential for a Bradford type injury, etc. One question, For those of us who went to college....why did you go? To get a good job right? That's why Jimmy and Golden went too. If they can increase their incomes by coming out this year and getting the job they want, who's to blame them? We'll just have to play with the cards left in the deck after they're gone. We still have Crist....did you see the laser he threw to Parris in the Alamodome? We still have Floyd and AA, who are only going to get better. Jeez, relax a little. We just need a D to be competitive again. GO IRISH!

Best post of the day! Regardless of what goes down, the cream will rise to the Top!!! We will lose a few recruits but we'll gain a few also. Go Irish!!!

StephenofTroy-Ever seen Golden play baseball? He may not be tall enough for the NFL, but he's just as good at baseball as he is at football. Let's pray Nate Montana will return this spring as he says he will, and lead ND to victory. After all, he looked better in the spring game then Claussen or Crist.

Keith,You must be kidding with your comments on USC.
What play did USC run right before the last touchdown??

Barkley took a knee with 52 seconds left...trying to run out the clock, UCLA would have no part of it and CALLED A TIMEOUT!!

That last score is on Neuheisel, why call a timeout with 52 seconds left on the clock? looks like he wanted to play a little more football when USC was willing to let the game end.

So USC obliged him.

You sir are the epitome of homerism...you allow a guy on here that is clearly a sandwich short of a picnic, he threatens people left and right but since he is a ND supporter you allow his garbage.

Then you ask the guy that he threatens to stop inciting him...REALLY??

Clausen is clearly in a altercation at a bar at 2:30 in the morning...gets slugged for pushing a guy and you just write it off as a sucker punch by a drunk..this is a story that is just getting legs and you call it a "tired" story.

I can imagine you would have a whole different take if it had been a Trojan player.

It is clearly being swept under the rug by the corrupt and dishonest AD and head coach (shades of robertg)

Do you claim to be a sports journalist or are you just a hack and ND apologist??

Art if you knew anything at all you would have never posted these dumb comments! YES moste recruits would jump ship why? Because Urban has a different style of coaching and apparently you missed it he also runs a different offense ever hear of Teabow??? Next you mentioned that Clausen will leave this year because he can make more money and it has nothing to do with Charlie. I guess you missed the several press conferences where Jimmy states, restates, and restates his restates that he came to pla for charlie not ND. You also must have missed the part where golden was in tears and said that he values what charlie says and will listen to him about returning or not. I guess you also did not hear that Crist is out with a torn acl so how can you say we still have crist yeah he through a bullett against washington state well so could my grandma that doesn't mean anything at all. You are right on one thing we all go to college to get better jobs but other than that you are 100% percent wrong. Where do you come up with this stuff do you dream it or what? Your posts has no facts or even ideas supported by half truths. Your whole post sir is total hogwash!

Kejji --

I write a Notre Dame football blog. That's the focus of the website, and I've never hid from my background as a former ND student/athlete. (Undistinguished on both fronts...) As far as the homer claims, I think I've got a pretty unique viewpoint compared to the other dozen ND football websites, and certainly don't subscribe to group-think, even if it gets me comments and emails like yours.

Re: your Clausen comments, here's what I wrote when it happened.

"I tend to believe that the truth, as it always does, lies somewhere in the middle. Either way, it's not the situation you want the captain of your team to find himself in at two in the morning the night after a loss probably sealed the fate of your head coach."

None of us -- nobody -- has a clue what really happened outside that bar, but you seen convinced that the events played out in a way that makes Clausen look the worst: He "gets slugged for pushing a guy." Curious that you're more willing to believe your story than the one that's been widely reported.

Re: the USC/UCLA flap.

When Neuheisel called timeout, Carroll had ever right to go deep. My issue wasn't the play call, but the reaction/celebration that followed, as well as the behavior after by BOTH TEAMS. (Like I said before.)

You may not believe it, but I'm a big fan of Pete Carroll's and I like the Trojans. What is hard to understand is that you can watch a heartwarming story like the one that aired on Saturday morning and then watch those same players act like idiots later that day at the end of the football game.

As much as I have been frustrated with Charlie's inability to win, mostly due to his inability to hire the right defensive coaches and challenge the ones he picked, I agree that the worst thing for the program right now is to have him be fired. If Clausen and Tate stay, ND will be a pre-season top 15 team with a legitimate (not legit...listening to some college and NFL commentators try to speak English amuses me) shot at a BCS bowl and an outside shot at the BCS Championship. They had a lot of adversity to overcome this year - numerous injuries to key players and the cloud of Weis' future hanging over them. The cloud won't change next year unless the administration says or does something to show support for Weis, and that won't happen, but they can still win with the great offense they have and some new defensive coaches.

Art, I read Michael's opinion of your post and thought I must have read it wrong so I went back and read it again. It was better than I thought, probably the best in two or three days.

Art, I read Michael's opinion of your post and thought I must have read it wrong so I went back and read it again. It was better than I thought, probably the best in two or three days.

So i guess that there is more than one guy on here that doesn't know what he is talking about. It seems that Mr Arnold, myself and Stephen of Troy...for the most part are the only ones that are not so blind or ignorant to make crap up whenever we feel like it. If you think art's post is the best in days then you either have an AWESOME since of humor or are dumber than I thought! I was hoping you had a little brains after all you are an ND fan. I would love for you to explain how players wouldnt leave if Urban was coach or how the same recruits the Charlie went after would be the same that Urban wanted?? Also explain Crist is he not out with a torn acl or did I dream that? Since you seem to know more than I do answer those along with who you believe to be the best coach for the job? let me guess Brian Kelly right??

It was fantastic! Thanks for asking. Strange thing about riding, and hiking, it has a strange way of putting into focus just what is important in life. We've got some great hiking, riding trails in the Sierra up here by Yosemite.

Yet, Notre Dame will always be on my mind.

What the heck? I was on here last night and StephenOfTroy posted a response to Keith Arnold's comment to him. I thought it was on the money. And now, today, StephenOfTroy's response has been deleted. What the heck is that about? Especially since that wacky robertg is still writing here.

If you're gonna delete people's posts, why don't you delete the ones who attack catholics or use cursewords? Why don't you delete the ones who have nothing about football to say? As Stephen said in his post, why single him out????

And deleting the guy's comment just because he responded to you and had something to back it up is pretty lame, Keith. I've read these posts for a while but never commented. You are one to talk about being more legitimate. Stephen knows what he's talking about and doesn't get credit often enough for the points he makes. You're just hating on him because he admits to having a favorite team that isn't notre dame.

I showed my friend my comment last night as we watched highlights of the college games on SportsCenter. Who knew that Keith Arnold would delete my comment? Classy move, Mr. Arnold.

And apparently any post that comes from this IP address will be registered under my name. I didn't write the above post, but it's attributed to me. My friend's name is Max and posted here for the first time above, but it registered to me. I guess Robert T. Gilleran is right. Now I'm morphing into different personalities.

I stand by the comments I made in the post that Keith Arnold deleted. I pointed out that Neuheisel called that time out. I also pointed out that lots of other people have noted that scouts think Tate will be a second rounder.

Not sure whether it was because I had the guts to tell Keith Arnold about his own writing, because I had the nerve to remind Keith Arnold what HE said about robertg, or because I didn't back away from my opinion about Golden Tate that got my comment deleted.

But whatever it was, deleting my comment shows that you had no ability to respond to it. Like I said, classy.

I'm going back to cooking dinner for Max and me. When I finish eating I'll look and see what I've missed. By the way, thanks, Michael, for the nod in #56, but I'm not sure I want to be linked with a guy who can't even stomach leaving my comments up just because I don't kiss his rear end.

Let's face it. Willingham got FIRED with a higher win-percentage than Weis has now. WHY are some people still talking about keeping Weis on? Is it because Charlie is the right color but Ty was not? Enough is enough already.

Ok, I finished cooking and decided to write before I eat, so I can eat with a clear conscience.

Keith Arnold, your comment to Kejji is misleading. You wrote in your response to me that USC "threw a deep ball in the final garbage minute." At the risk of having you delete my post again, I have to point out that you're being too cute by half in trying pretend you didn't take issue with the play call.

InTheShadows, you get your egg salad sandwich if and only if I get my half-eaten apple first. I'm facing bankruptcy, after all.

valley moore, I've never seen Tate play baseball. I'm glad to hear he has options if he doesn't like how his draft day goes, or he doesn't fit with his NFL team, or whatever. I never found out what happened to Crist. Torn ACL? I'm sure ND will recruit a good QB if the ones they have on the roster aren't able to get it done.

Michael, I think you were too hard on Art. I thought he made some pretty good points, and I'd overlook his "best pro-style QB" comment re Clausen. Colt McCoy has completed over 70% of his passes in his career. What could HE do in ND's system? Jake Locker has a great arm and great ability. How would HE do with a decent team to play with? Who knew that Matt Ryan would perform so well? Let's give the QB's a second look when they're actually in the pros.

leomcm, nice big-picture perspective. I took the dogs to the dog park and just had a blast today. I'm sure everyone here has something to do besides agonize over who ND's next coach will be.

irishfanintx, glad I convinced you. That was easy. Unless, of course, you didn't mean it, and you were only being sarcastic. Perish the thought.

Last and certainly least, Robert T. Gilleran.... It's hard to say this, but I had difficulty making it through your dozens of numbered paragraphs. Not just because of the 66 to 7 nonsense, and not just because you think judges and juries MUST accept expert witness opinion over any other evidence (there's no such requirement, Robert!). But because it's all so formulaic and predictable by now. We, your loyal readers, deserve better from you. At least blame ND's troubles on a gamma ray burst or solar flare, or tie the Russians into it somehow.

This post will be deleted in five, four, three, two, one....

My thoughts exactly, DocSavage. In fact, that was pretty much what I said in my very first post on this site. Fat lot of good it did me. Apparently people will bend over backward to call you a racist if you ask whether race was a factor in a decision where race is the only apparent variable. Here's hoping you have better luck than I did. :)

This is karma at work. ND couldn't give Willingham the air fast enough once Weis popped up, even though they had always given their worst coaches a full five run of their contracts. Revenge is a dish best served cold.

TLNDMA: If that whole ignoring-people-campaign doesn't work out for you, you can always try covering your face with your hands. "I don't see you, so you don't see me!"

Fight on, Trojans! GO IRISH!

Can ND Win BCS in 2010: You project a 6-6 or 3-9 season if Weis/Tate/Clausen leave. But ND had those records WITH Weis, Clausen and Tate. You really, seriously, honestly think ND can compete for or even win a national title next year? I admire your team loyalty but you're setting yourself up for perpetual disappointment. Just be happy if the players play to the best of their ability and give maximum effort for 60 minutes.

Robert T. Gilleran: You've been flirting with it for a while, but you finally came out and said in #16 that ND "has zero future" without Charlie Weis and his staff under the conditions you specified. I thought you were a Notre Dame fan.

Giving up on the team in perpetuity if they don't keep the coach is one of the wackier things you've said. That's a bridge too far, even for TRUE diehard fans. I enjoy your lunacy a lot more when you support the Irish than when you abandon all hope.

Michael:
What's a Teabow? Something you put on your teapot? And Crist through a laser? Through it? Are you serious? You have the grammar of a not very well educated 8 year old. If you're gonna disrespect me like that, doucher, at least learn how to spell. It makes you look sad and moronic.

willmose, #26 gets my vote for post of the week. You should have gotten more (okay, ANY) recognition for that one.

StephenOfTroy, yes I was being sarcastic (one of my many character flaws). I have read your comments for some time and just find it somewhat perplexing that a USC fan would spend so much time on ND site trying so hard to convince ND fans that their coach is arrogant and can't coach, their QB is a spoiled arrogant brat that should have been suspended, and that one of the best wide receivers in college football (doesn't matter if he goes on to be one of the best in the pros or not) is just not that good.

irishfanintx: You were being sarcastic? Duh. I knew that. Couldn't you tell?

Don't let me (or the bright shiny lights) distract or perplex you. You were doing a bang-up job of pointing out things I write. By all means, carry on.

StephenOfTroy: No, I couldn't tell (thrown in with all my character flaws I'm a little slow too). As slow as I am however, I could in fact use the same arguements against USC's program if so desired. Arrogance, I think their might be some found in the football program and in the USC fan base.

@SOT:

Thanks for having my back. Michael seems to think that the only reason a recruit chooses a school is for the Coach. Of course, I know that Crist has an ACL tear (I even know what that means) as I saw it happen. These things heal don't they? Crist will be back and he looks like a pretty good passer. That was my point. As for JC, you're right and I will amend my prior post to say he is ONE OF THE best pro-style QB's out there.

I found an interesting article on your arch-nemesis, if this is him: http://www.calbar.ca.gov/calbar/2cbj/97oct/97oct-23.htm

Incidentally, in #58 above, you are beginning to refer to yourself in the 3d person. I knew your preoccupation with Civil Rico man was detrimental to your health. Tread carefully.

Your Pal,
Art Vandelay

Keith Arnold: You DO know that mef811/mike ford was responding to robertg when he wrote #27, don't you? So why'd you respond to him (#35) as though he was writing to you?

Unless, of course, YOU are robertg. That would explain a few things. Art, is your head spinning yet?

SOT: There is a very real possibility that you, Keith and robertg are an unholy 3-headed monster, the likes of which we haven't seen since Chimaera. Almost too much to comprehend.

Art, 2 things.

1 - be careful with posting links to people's professional lives. Keith Arnold incorrectly thought I had done that re: Robert T. Gilleran and chastised me for it in that email I published here. I, of course, never posted any such link. Still, thanks for the link!

2 - I didn't write #58. My friend did that as I was making Hamburger Helper for our dinner. (HelenOfTroy is out of town for Thanksgiving, and it's catch-as-catch-can around here!) He used my laptop and tried to post it under the name "TheFIXisIN" but apparently any post written from my computer comes out as a StephenOfTroy post. If I had written that post I would have worked in a few more zingers against Robert T. Gilleran and a few jabs at Rick Neuheisel not being any better at calling end-of-game timeouts than he is at hiding his illegal NCAA tournament betting.

But above all, don't worry; I will ALWAYS have your back. You're all right. Plus you slap people around for having the grammar of a not very well educated 8 year old, which is always hilarious. All that stuff about my Dad and condoms is ancient history, especially since you proved you can quote Hamlet AND Col. Kurtz. You have the best username on this site, although I admit I think mine is a close second.

Oh goodness gracious, Art. I just read the State Bar article you linked to.

I cannot think of anything more ironic than our very own robertg, aka Robert T. Gilleran, trying to charge clients a "penalty" of $500 for "obnoxious letters and comments." I could retire from the penalty I could charge him just for what he posts on this site, let alone the other sites he uses to vent his nonsensical spleen.

What a shame. I'd hoped that his "irreparable injury" was a head injury, and also hoped that it was the cause of his disbarment. At least that would excuse his ludicrous rants. Turns out he just lied, cheated, stole, and tried to pass bad checks. Oh well. I wanted his story to have a happy ending. Or at least an ending.

SOT:
Let me again qualify, I don't know that info/link to be about your buddy but it is a similar name to the one you have previously disclosed and it is certainly within the public domain in any event. I didn't write the article and it appears to be some official publication from Calif.

irishfanintx: So if you're "slow," is that why you don't know the difference between "their" and "there?"

What "arguements" (what, is that because you're slow, too?) could you make? That USC's football program or fan base is arrogant? Wow. Coming from an Irish fan, that's rich. At least USC has won some national titles since the invention of cordless telephones. Pete Carroll is college football's winningest coach. Assuming arguendo (look it up, or ask robertg) that we're arrogant, all I have to say is SCOREBOARD.

But we're not as arrogant as the We-Are-ND crowd. And we never will be. We have the football monopoly. You have the monopoly on being overrated. After all, how many times have we all read that Charlie Weis's "signature win" was a loss to USC? If that doesn't give a football team grounds to be arrogant, what would? Your best day is a LOSS to us at HOME? Wow. Aim high! It's not as though you're the Jamaican bobsled team or something....

Art, relax. Truth is a defense. And now that I've read the article, robertg's BIZARRE rant against the CA judiciary when I exposed him as Robert T. Gilleran (he confirmed his identity in that rant; it wasn't me who "disclosed" it) makes more sense. I'm not saying his rant makes sense, just that it makes more sense than it did when I thought he was just an old guy who had a head injury.

And, sheesh, he's NOT my "buddy." You're just trying to get under my skin because I wouldn't hire you to sell latex for me. Your "pal" status is subject to review in the third year, just like Willingham's contract was. Rest assured that at said review, that comment, as well as your suggestion that Robert, Keith and I are a three-headed monster, will be on the blackboard in all caps. Not sure whether I'll have robertg's associates on hand to present expert witness testimony, which must be accepted over any other testimony (in Robert's mind, anyway).

Keith, your statement about Clausens altercation doesn't make sense, you stated: "I tend to believe that the truth, as it always does lies somewhere in the middle".

Now that is a head scratcher..your statement would make sense if you were having some sort of philosophical discussion on spirituality, but you are not...the truth is Clausen either pushed the guy or he didn't.

It's that simple..it lies nowhere in the middle.

You also stated: "Curious that you are more willing to believe your story than the one that is widely reported."

What is being widely reported? your google must be different than my google.

There are many variying stories as to what happened...you intimate my account is in the minority, not so, my statement came from a story in the South Bend Tribune...most accounts have Clausen actively involved in a skirmish or fight...ESPN seems to be the source that is pushing the sucker punch theory.

And since Brent Musburger used the term sucker punched twice in his calling the ND/Stanford game..that must be what happened right?

SOT, Thank you for correcting my poor grammer. How did you know that I wasn't on the Jamaican bobsled team??? I am not knocking USC's program so don't get all defensive on me. Only making a point that every college team has arrogant players and fans. Contrary to your belief about the USC program. I for one am a lifetime ND fan that roots for the likes of USC, Michigan, Mich. State, etc. I have no hate or disdain for these programs. Yes, USC is on top teams for now but remember they are only 8 years or so removed from those 6-6, 5-6 seasons. Yes, USC has beat ND 7 years in a row which has narrowed the margin of ND victories over the Trojans to 8 or 9. Enjoy your run. Who knows, maybe USC can tie or exceed the 11 game win streak ND enjoyed over them. (Before the cell phone of course). Now, speaking of overrated where exactly did USC start the year in the rankings?

SOT, before you get to excited, I know grammer is spelled with an "a".

Point goes to Irishfanintx. Is USC even in the top 25 any longer? I failed to look all the way down the list.

sorry to do it, irishfanintx, but in addition to correcting your "grammer" I must correct your arithmetic. USC is 8-0 against ND in the last 8 years. That's, uh, 8 in a row.

So you root for Michigan, huh? No wonder you take issue with my posts, considering what USC has done to Michigan in the Rose Bowl lately. But what's your point? I root for ND in every game except the USC - ND game. I'm tired of defending my dual-allegiance. I like both teams; I just like USC a hell of a lot more.

Where did USC start the year in the rankings? I don't know. But excuse me.... Where did NOTRE DAME start the year in terms of its fans' expectations? At least we knew we were replacing 8 defensive starters who got drafted, replacing the offensive AND defensive coordinator, and starting a freshman QB. ND fans, on the other hand, thought that a BCS bowl was an insult, and that you deserved a title berth. You people were screaming about how unfair it was that ND wasn't ranked in such-and-such a place. 6-6 against a schedule that includes NAVY.

Yes, USC had a bad year. Pete Carroll's worst year since his first. But our bad year is the same as TOUCHDOWN CHARLIE's best year. Assuming we beat Arizona to go 9-3, that is.

Something for you to ponder.... I wouldn't have even bothered writing to you except that you wrote at least three posts that did nothing except try to take issue with something I wrote. It's not clear what your point was, in any of those posts. You obviously wanted my attention. Do you feel special, now that you got it? Good. Off to bed with you, then. It's late in Texas and you've got school tomorrow.

Art, we're at #18. Where's ND? Let me guess. Your responsive sentence will include "recruiting class" and then a lot of meaningless insults. At least I hope it does. The meaningless insults are my favorite part.

Ok, irishfanintx, but do you know that "too" is a different word than "to?"

My insults aren't meaningless, not to me at least. Blah, blah, blah, recruiting class. Ya happy?

Art,

I just checked out the live blog from the Stanford game. I was pleased to learn that you're a veteran, and saddened to hear that you're wheelchair-bound.

In all seriousness, many thanks for your service to our country. I can't put it in words, but it means a lot to me, and to pretty much all of us. My dad, my uncles, and my grandfathers are combat veterans. I look up to them, and to all of our men and women in uniform.

This won't affect my willingness to sling mud (and meaningful insults) at you. But as far as the REAL world goes, my hat is off to you, pal.

@SOT:

Also, why did you think that references to irreparable injury were referring to a head injury? Isn't it a legal standard you should be familiar with? On this side of the Mississippi, we say irreparable harm.....you know, the kind you normally need to show for injunctive relief. I guess we make the distinction so we don't confuse Calif. lawyers. Meaningless, I know.

Art, thanks for the primer re: injunctive relief. I did know that, of course. We on the left side of the Mississippi also adhere to the common law. We say irreparable harm as well. As you once told me re noticing my Kurtz reference, "give me some credit."

Robert T. Gilleran's State Bar record shows that 7 months before he was disbarred, he was "inactive - irreparable injury." That isn't related to what he was disbarred for, as I now understand from the CA Bar Journal article you linked to. I don't think it had anything to do with a legal standard.

I still don't know what the irreparable injury was, but it wasn't State-Bar-Court-speak for "moral turpitude," which is what got him disbarred.

A head injury would have made the most sense, given that Robert has, in Keith Arnold's emailed phrase to me, "a screw loose." It seemed like a logical explanation. Have you come up with a better one? MY second guess is that Robert bet BIG on some can't-miss football game, lost his short, and now feels indescribable bitterness toward the NCAA and its corrupt, crooked conference-affiliated officials.

Meaningless though your insult was, you still get a point for it. And at the end of the day, that's what matters. Isn't it?

Sorry, I didn't see that record you're talking about. Well, tune in tomorrow and with any luck, maybe he'll elaborate on what the "injury" was. I'm out...it's getting really late here.

1.while our full time and resources are now allocated to the economic destruction in the civil courts of every person and entity involved in crooked college sports enterprises, we do watch the internet and print out things for use as evidence in real world civil court public jury trials.
2. for those wondering why there has been no announcement from notre dame that charlie and his staff have been fired, as so many media shills have fraudulently reported, we can let you in on some real information, as a relief from the fraudulent garbage still being generated by certain paid media con artist shills.
3. jack swarbrick and father jenkins do not have decision making powers at notre dame in such matters. such decisions are made by notre dame alumni who have had great success as student athletes also playing football at notre dame, in the nfl, and in their personal and business lives.
4. these safeguards were inserted into the notre dame football decision making process after the tyrone atrocity in 2005.
5. jack swarbrick and father jenkins and certain other people in the notre dame administration are now being force fed the information and data that they should have accumulated on their own, but have failed miserably to do so.
6. those force feeding them are the same people who came up with the money to save notre dame football and who picked charlie in 2005 for the long term( by some quirk of fate, i ended up with a front row seat during the 2005 process at notre dame). each of those individuals knows about dishonest officiating and the con operation that currently holds itself out to the public as college football( we have given those real decision makers at notre dame full access to our film, expert witness, and other evidentiary data bases). some of these individuals are now attorneys and judges in their lives after notre dame and the nfl.
7.well, back to work on the real world civil rico cases from which we will never back down before the tasks are completely done, just as we did in the enron and mci worldcom cases, no matter what decisions are made at notre dame.
8. we already have all of the witnesses and evidence that we need, although more keeps pouring in every day from people who want to fess up, tell the truth, provide documents, and settle out of court.
9. these processes are not that complicated for us. we are in the possible settlement phase right now(and have turned down large settlement offers from numbers of people who have intentionally done much too much wrong so that we will not settle with them out of court for any amounts of money, even though some of the offers have been in the many of millions of dollars range).
10. after the settlement phase is done, then we move on to the next phase, which does take place in the public arena in real civil courts and, for anyone who makes it that far without being forced into bk by the huge fees that they have to pay to the attorneys trying to defend them.
11.the ncaa spent millions trying to defeat us in the big public disclosure case( all records relating to the ncaa investigation of academic fraud in the florida state athletic department) which we won in the florida courts after a court trial and many unsuccessful appeals by the ncaa, until the ncaa finally threw in the towel and surrendered on 10/15/2009.
12. all of the court pleadings and other documents which the ncaa was forced to cough up have been available to the public through the ap and the state of florida attorney general's office,both key allies for us in that case, although both do charge for copies of those documents.
13. what we do is extremely simple for us, after have been through so many such projects before and having invented all of the techniques used this type of big civil case litigations, and extremely economically deadly for the con artists in the civil courts.
14. we do not understand why some other people find these processes difficult to understand, especialy since we have provided the links to retrieve the court pleadings and judgments in the enron and mci worldcom cases at pacer.com and at other internet sites on so many occasions. true, these sites do charge for that information. however, there is plenty of free information from the media who covered those and other cases on the internet. try using google to do your searches. google keepps things posted much longer than any other internet data base and search engine.
15. for those who want to play around with more internet postings, we are watching and printing out everything. after all, this is part of the discovery processes in all real world civil litigations.
GO IRISH!!!

SOT, yes I know that too is different from to. I was also aware of my mistake. However, I enjoy having an attorney proof my posts for me free of charge!

Yea, you're right you are alot smarter than I am and there is no way I could be dumber than you thought. I never claimed to know what I am talking about just giving my opinion. And, maybe I do have a little brain since I root for the Irish even through the dysfunction of the program of the last 13 years.

And, you do kow that Urban has won everywhere he has been. Bowling Green, Utah, and Florida. Bowling Green and Utah are not exactly elite jobs. 4 BCS bowls in his nine years of coaching, possibly 3 Nat'l Championships. He has won with Omar Jenkins, Alex Smith, Chris Leak, and Tim Tebow at QB.

And, finally you do know you are defending a guy that has a 16-21 record the last three years with his recruits. And, do not forget he is responsible for the recruits he gets. And, as far as coaches, I think Larry, Moe, or Curly could have finished with a 16-21 record these last few years. How about the Marx Brothers?

Ummm, so like, is that a "yes" or a "no" on the sandwich?

As per your point #15, perhaps you could just print out my post above, and take it to the deli. It's pretty specific as to how I want my sandwich (put it on whole wheat, not toasted).

P.S. I will be sending you a secret coded message tonight in the 4:30 pm episode of SpongeBob Squarepants on Nickjr. It is imperative that you watch this episode to receive my coded message.

Robertg:

Tiger Woods attends the Stanford-Cal game and is booed.

http://outofbounds.nbcsports.com/2009/11/tiger-woods-shocked-to-learn-that-he-is-not-universally-loved.html.php

Less than a week later, he is involved in a late-night car crash, with plenty of unanswered questions.

Except we know the answers to those questions, don't we, Robertg?

He was willing to blow this thing wide open, until they got to him.

Keep digging, Robertg. You have never been closer.

Are we counting paper wins. Lord knows we need to have this in mind if we are to avoid and ugly rants from a certain direction.

Cheers

Really 16-21? I m happy you told me I mean nobody anywhere has been talking about his winning percentage! That is a teriffic point I take back all my earlier statements! I never sais Urban was not a winner. I was just making the point that a lot of changes would have to be made for Urban to fit in the system. I think there is an easier way thats all i m saying. Like get Charlie someone who can help on defense. I know what is record his I just think we need to back charlie and give him the tools to win. With his O all we need is an average D and we will win lots. I believe we are the closest we have been in along time a to change now would make it take longer.

Bowden is making his announcement tomorrow about his coaching next year. I believe it will be to retire instead of Fired. If the Weis situation drags out beyond tomorrow it may be him coming back and the d-coaches on the way out. If one is to believe that the AD did not have a plan set based on the Stanford outcome then he is not a very good AD. What could possibly change except for the player's interviews after the game. The two most important parts of the offense want Weis back. That has to weigh on the mind of the AD. I can see him bringing back Weis for one more year. Re-work his contract and bring a new defensive coaching staff, one member of which could be the next coach if goals are not met. To drag this out for a week or more can do more harm than good.

i can promise that if weis is fired, next year ND will have a worse record than this year...Thats coming from a life long, bleeding blue and gold, loyal as heck fan...sorry, but no QB, no O line, and no tate = disaster...

How can you say your full time and resources are now being allocated when you spend so much time on various blogs with your blithering lists of tripe. If your are going to sue, sue. Act, talk is cheap. If you have the true interests of ND or college football at heart, then get moving and stop wasting your valuable time and resources on these lengthy postings. When you pull it all off, and the world is made safer for ND and college football in general, you can crow. Until then you are just static.

And, so the end is here, fans.

I have to express a word of thanks to Charlie Weis. When he arrived, we'd been in rough shape under Willingham and Davie (not to mention George O'Leary). It seemed almost impossible to have a game in which we competed against a quality opponent. Charlie changed that. Unfortunately, it's too often that we lose close games.

Having said this, our new coach has a pretty good foundation. Everyone believes JC will leave early. Notre Dame really doesn't have a history of players leaving early. So, we'll see how it goes. My own hope is that Jimmy comes back and plays for someone like Brian Kelly, Kirk Ferentz or Bob Stoops. We'll see how it goes.

One further remark: Bobby Bowden may be resigning today. If he does, Notre Dame's search for a replacement just got a lot tougher.

It is easy to blame the defense for this year's shortcomings but Charlie is responsible for everyone on the squad. Coaches and players whether they are hired or recruited are at ND because he wants them there. Don't you get it? He is responsible.
And, Urban, like many coaches, coach to their personnel.Alex Smith and Chris Leak were not exactly spread option QBs.

Let's see here are my top four excuses
2007- Ty left the cubbard bare.
2008- we are too young
2009-it is the defenses fault
2010-CW or Jimmy and Golden are gone, or academic standards are too high
2011 - Jimmy and Golden left

grandpa, Robert T. Gilleran doesn't "have the interest of ND or college football at heart." Didn't you read where he said ND has "zero future" without Charlie Weis?

You may have noticed, as I did, that in his latest blast of nonsense, he starts out by saying Swarbrick and Jenkins don't really have any power and instead it's some shadow group of former student-athletes, but then he abruptly says "well back to work on the real world civil rico cases...." Uh, sure, robbie. Go get 'em, tiger!

Looks to me like Robert T. Gilleran has given up trying to sell us on his Theory O' College Football and is back to trying to sell us shares in his RICO tax shelter. But that's part of what got him disbarred. So tread carefully, grandpa. Investments can lose value, particularly where said investments are never actually created and your soon-to-be-disbarred attorney lies to you about creating them.

Kejji, bak, and, yes, even Keith Arnold: Did you catch Pardon the Interruption today? Both Kornheiser and Wilbon agreed that Neuheisel COMPLETELY deserved to get that deep TD pass thrown against him after he called that time-out. In fact Wilbon said Pete Carroll should have done an onside-kick after scoring the TD. Wilbon said Neuseisel had it coming after talking all that noise and taking out ads in the paper ("the football monopoly is officially over").

Couldn't agree more. FIGHT ON, TROJANS!

Keith Arnold, I ALSO stand by my comment about the soft schedule the Irish play.

TODAY, none other than Lou Holtz said that Notre Dame plays "one top-20 team a year, two at the most." He made that comment in the context of saying that there's no excuse for not winning at ND. As usual, I agree with Coach Holtz.

So yes, Golden Tate looks good. Lots of players would, if they played against crummy teams who themselves are going into prevent defenses in many 4th quarters because they have a big lead.

Didn't catch pardon....but heard Jim Rome say Neuheisel got the smack down he deserved...heck, even UCLA linebacker Reggie Carter said "How mad could you be? we called a timeout; we kept the game going, so obviously we wanted to keep playing, we obviously didn't play hard enough".

I just picture him sitting in a small, dark, shabby room with a bare bulb over an old HP 386 computer typing away his blows against the empire. He wonders why the world ( ND especially) has not taken his ranting as gospel and done all he wishes. The voices are getting louder,the deamons are getting closer. All is lost.

thanks for the tip, Kejji. I will try to find Rome on YouTube. He reminds me of Rain Man, the way he sometimes repeats what he says about four times. But when he's on, he's ON. And it sounds like Reggie Carter is an honest man.

I wish our season had gone better, but anytime you beat ND in South Bend and embarrass UCLA, I count the season a success. I was just glad to see the defense play with some intensity again.

grandpa, now that Charlie Weis is out, Robert T. Gilleran has hung a sign over his motel room door (where he rents his room by the week) that says "Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here." But he left up the sign that says "Expert Shoe Repair and Civil RICO Case Analysis."

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