Though past decisions should not influence this decision, they should act as a guideline for how to make a change. If a change is going to be made, then the next two weeks should have no bearing on that. Swarbrick should not need anymore evidence to back up that decision. He needs to have the successor in place before the change is announced. To let Weis go, before the plan is finalized could lead to another hiring fiasco. If no change is coming he should do his coach and his university a favor and announce so.

Keith what is YOUR short list of coaches to replace Weis? I have Brian Kelly at the top of mine, he seems like the perfect fit. I don't like Gruden, pulling another coach from the pro-ranks after Chuck and how he handled the QBs(VERY plural) in Tampa Bay, are both huge factors as to why.

Fire Weis? YOu can forget about Chris Martin and some other recruits coming to South Bend for sure. Clausen and Tate likely also wont hesitate to go to the NFL also. You can also count on the program not winning 9 games for another 2 years, thats just what the situation dictates. Urban Liar's change at FL is different, as is most other turn arounds. Dont forget, ND is a private school with very high academic standards to get in, much harder than a public school like Bama or FL.
Look, the atmosphere Charlie inhereted was drastic. Davie and Willingham didnt do half of what Weis has done in half the time to get the old guard excited again, and lets not start on recruiting. Point is, the D needs a change, not the offense. WE have lost 4 games by a total of 19 points. Thats not that far away from undefeated, and is certainly progress. Plus if you look at the PF and PA, were scoring more than opponents overall. Now, should they lose either of the last 2 games, i dont think it will matter and he will be fired. Kelley may be good, but can he recruit against USC in CA? Can he recruit against FL in FL? TX? Charlie has...Gruden just signed a 3 yr deal with MNF, so he isnt a candidate. What they should do is bring a defensive guru in to "advise" the D, and maybe poach a russ grimm disciple for the O line..although i give tons of credit to Verudcci, he has done wonders with what he has to work with.

HEY IF MY EARS ARN'T DECIEVING ME AND I CERTAINLY DON'T NEED A HEARING AID...IF STOOPS IS A CANDIDATE I THINK HE IS SURE FIRE TOP DOG ON THAT SHORT LIST. REASON BEING IS, KELLEY IS STILL PLAYING FOR A LOT AT CINNCI. HARBAUGH STILL PLAYING GREAT BALL AT STANFORD. STOOPS NOT AS MUCH IN OU. LET'S KEEP WEIS TO HANDLE TALENT EVALUATOR/RECRUITE EXTRORDANAIRE SO WE ALSO DON'T HAVE TO DISCUSS THE BUYOUT FURTHERMORE HE IS AFTER ALL ND.

@Keith, sorry but is about Ws and Ls. A head coach's job is to win, period. If ND was 10-0 we wouldn't be having this discussion. The problem with most ND bloggers, is that they are all on record as saying Charlie Weis was the best Notre Dame coach ever! Charlie Weis walks on water. The facts are simple. Charlie Weis has come very close to destroying one of the great football schools. All the fans and bloggers do is whine about this call or whine about how hard it is to recuit. Ws and Ls don't count, good whines do. Your post is about as self-serving as it gets. Is Charlie Weis a relative? Keith, get off the Charlie Weis bandwagon (it has no wheels anymore). Point by point your reasons for keeping the head coach.

1. The change in recruiting. Okay, let's say the recruiting has been the best in the country. Why is ND 6-4 against pussycats? All the player are CW recruits. Must be lousy coaching. Reality, the recruiting hasn't been that great, average at best. A new coach could easily be better.

2. The transition to a new scheme. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Keep the same defensive scheme against Navy. The offensive and defensive schemes aren't that great, why keep what isn't working?

3. The timing of the decision. What's wrong with now? It's not like there is a national championship on the line. How about giving the new coach a head start? Maybe the new coach can get something out of those great recruits.

Its time for Weiss to move on. He was over hyped to begin with. His teams only can win against average talent. Speaking of recruiting his best season came with recruits from Willingham. He has had enough time to get his recruits on the field and his schemes put in place and what's the results. A that would struggle in the WAC.

I say don't fire him. I'd give him one more year to make a BCS bowl.

EVAN HAVE YOU WATCHED THE PAST TWO YEARS?

Keith. Do you think a scenario where Weis stays but Tenuta, Brown, Polian, etc are fired? No doubt Charlie has done a good job recruiting. But I am more disappointed in the defense. Look at this past game, Frank Cignetti doesn't have a great QB and doesn't ask him to be one. ND doesn't have a great defense, yet they ask these DB's to cover these WR's for 5 seconds or more because the blitzers never get to the QB. Seems to me a quality coach would notice his lack of talent on defense and play a safer scheme and let my offense win games by holding the other teams to FG's using a bend but don't break scheme. At least until you get top flight recruits on the D-Line!

Not only should weiss be fired, the idiot that gave him that outlandish contract should go. Weiss just got by on his laurels at new england. Weiss wasn't worth one million for ten years rather than the millions he signed for!

Aside from Bernie Madoff, Charlie Weis has to be the greatest scam artist of this decade.

willmose i dont think that you are correct. there are alot more factors that are looked at when it comes to the hiring and firing of head coaches. wins and loses obviously will play a roll, but things such as graduation rate, gpa, etc. will come into play. if you would read the article again i think you would come to realize that the author is not pointing one way or the other (fire vs no fire) rather he is pointing out that maybe we should look at more then the 6-4 record.

Hey Lou I beleive Weis has done a good job recruiting except for punters/kickers. I hear our punter and kicker's high school replacements are catching the ball and performing at a higher percentage rate than ours. ALSO IT'S NOT THE SIZE OF THE DOG BUT THE SIZE OF THE FIGHT IN THE DOG!

When a coach is fired the successor is not in place whan that happens. The only thing is place is a list on the ADs desk that he has yet to make public.

DAN I beleive he might be refering to Charlie staying on the ship in some way or capacity ie recruiter/talent evaluator advisor of some sort and hiring a new coach!
WE WANT STOOPS!

Wake up ND fans you are NOT getting Urban or Stoops or any other top college football coach. Even if you pulled it off and got Brian Kelly he cannot recruit against the big boys and CIN players are not under some academic policy. CW is a great recruiter and offense guru. With ND academic policy for the players they are never going to win a NC!

No academic policy - Lou Holtz 100-30-2 11 years oh and one NC

With academic policy - 1997 - 2009 91-66 12 years

You fire CW you won't win 9 games for atleast 3yrs, Jimmy and Gloden will leave this year and all your top recruits for next yr will go to other schools. I agree something has to be done about the crappy D, but that too will take time. As far as the media they bash on ND because they don't like ND.

I would like to see ND keep Charlie until after Alabama plays ND - hopefully in 2012. I want the best chance possible to get our 2nd win.
PS - Stay away from Coach Saban.

We could be undefeated were it not for crucial game management mistakes in each game this year, that I will admit. As the infamous billboard in South Bend proclaimed this year, Weis is still in a coaching internship as a head coach. Which way is the program going however? USC still hung 30+ on us but we had a chance to win at the end. He is improving - the talent is improving - the program is improving. People at Virginia Tech wanted Frank Beamer's head on a platter when he started. After seven years he was 24-40-2. Since then he's 153-49 and they have become one of the top programs in the country. VT is lucky the administration gave him a few more years. Some things, like fine wine and football coaches, take a while to age properly.

I am not a Ty apologist but when he was fired the AD said that he did everything right from Sunday to Friday; he just didn't win enough on Sunday.

Nick Borgia, I believe it was the same AD that gave Charlie the outlandish contract extension.

Weis should be allowed to stay at least two more years.

It is only fair.

Hey Mikey back when HOLTZ was around you and whatever team you root for or used to root for would not want to face us. WHY, because we fought whatever team came to our field and thought they could leave with a victory in our house. That's because we had competitive spirits. So those 12 years you are refering to under that academic policy we have had competitive teams ie bush push game and other games along the way where refs made questionable calls are proof of that. No, excuse but remember this if not for a few play calls here and there a special teams player here or there ie kicker/punter and oh a few questionable calls by refs ie ILLEGAL HANDS TO THE HEAD OF THE QUARTERBACK WHEN CLAUSEN SO CALLED FUMBLE LAST GAME/also 1st quarter fumble in Navy game! We now look at least competitive and like we belong on the field with some of these teams. And for a long time die hard ND fan like myself thats all i could ask for and maybe at least 1 NC "game" played in even if they don't lose! oops I meant WIN.

WE have lost 4 games by a total of 19 points. Thats not that far away from undefeated, and is certainly progress

Your also 17 points away from being 2-10, that's progress???

Why do we continue to have these dicussions about a program that doesn't or hasn't mattered in the past 20 years. Please let's use this space to talk about TCU, Boise St, Cincy, schools that deserve the press.

HEY THE BCS DOESN'T WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THEM, WHY SHOULD WE AND WHY ARE YOU ACKNOWLEDGING US AND OUR WEB SITE!

Perfect weekend for me is an ND loss. So, I hope Weiss stays. Besides, I like to see the soap opera of a school that plays a bunch of patsy's and still can't win....

There are two things that you must have to to formulate a winning foot ball program,first is talent the second is coaching we have the talent we need the coaching. Why no one seems to bring up Tom Clements name is beyond me He quarterbackd ND to a national Champion and was responsible for the turnaround Of Brett Favre as the quarterback coach with Greenbay .
I know he was interested in the job when ND hired Weiss, I believe he could return ND to a top ten team every year, And lets make sure that who ever gets hired Gets at least a fifteen year contract before they have a chance to prove themselves

Bernie O'

Are ND fans completely off their hinges? Let me get this straight, you think your two best candidates are Urban and Stoops!?! Are you high? These two are at schools that are perennial national title contenders with a fan base that reveres them. Not to mention they have monster contracts. You think they are going to leave this for a program in ruins, a recruiting base that is murky at best and a fan base that is rabid and completely unrealistic (i.e. you think you will land stoops) not to burst a bubble here but put the pipe down kids. Maybe you should start with Mike Stoops and work your way up from there. ND's time has passed. Coaches know it, analysts know it, parents of recruits know it. They only people who dont are that rabid fan base.

This is for our esteemed Athletic Director

As far as Charlie Weiss is concerned I have two words TOM CLEMENTS
Bernie O'K

What???, Still a little hung over. Over the last 20 years where does ND rank in terms of records, regular season and Bowl games? Probably in the lower half of all division one schools. Your living off stuff that happen 50, 60 years ago. They have been over-hyped some many times and have failed to back things up, why shouldn't people be tired of hearing about them. There was even talk earlier in the season that with 2 loses they would still get to the BCS games, what a joke. Their fans have also contributed to the resentment that most people feel about ND. It's great to have school spirit and be faithful but 'most' ND fans still think their s**t don't stink.

You are closer to sooner dead than sooner born if you or anyone else thinks Jack Swarbrick won't get this next hire right. If you or anyone else thinks that any of Jack's cadidates don't believe they can bring ND back to national prominence. You're crazy that would be any of these candidates greatest accomplishment's anywhere on the face of this planet. Do you think ND DOESN'T SEE THE BIG PICTURE; IE how much dollars and cents could come along with winning and winning often and whatever coach they can bring that along with them. YOU'RE FUGAZY!

Weis should not be fired. I hate to quote a sports writer or my Mother but "Rome was not Built in a day!' And I am not Happy at all with the team losing. Weis has the recruiting and the team going in the right direction. He has shown he can coach in his first 2 years. He has shown he can land the Blue Chip recruits and I agree Notre Dame will loose key recruits if Weiss is fired for anyone less than Urban Meyer. Weis has to learn to develop young athletes into college football players ready for the pros. I believe Weis has many of the parts needed for a National Title and is in the process of recruiting the last pieces of the National Title puzzle. Chris Martin is a big piece.

The only reason Weis should be fired is if Urban Meyer is really ready to make the move to be Head Coach of the Fighting Irish. I really don't see another coach that is up to the task. Using another famous quote, "The Devil you know is better than the Devil you don't know." Look at Joe Paterno's first seven years at Penn State and you will see similiar numbers. It takes time.

RH you're crazy too because for 1.I know my crap stinks because I won't argue the fact my team has stunk up the field in critical situations. But these teams have at least gotten all of us across the country to wonder what team will show up to the game this or next year? Or quarter this game? Oh, or better yet will football fans like yourself comment upon who what why where and when will ND FOOTBALL SHOWUP EVENTHOUGH YOU HATE ON OUR UNIVERSITY FOR EVERYTHING ND BRINGS TO THE TABLE COMPETITIVELY OR UN-COMPETETIVELY. ADMIT WE ARE THE YANKEES OF NCAA FOOTBALL AND COWBOYS OF PRO FOOTBALL.

Look, the bottom line is this: They are still making mistakes at game 10 that they made in game 1. There isn't progression. They are committing costly mistakes that GOOD/GREAT teams shore up by games 3 and 4 (ie. when conference time rolls around). It has been this way during Davie and Willingham's years as well. Stupid - and I mean stupid penalties are drive killers on offense. DB's and CB's coverage is terrible - poor angles, poor pass defense techniques, terrible tackling. The O-line has made improvement over last year, but these "leaders" are committing horrendous penalties. Young, Olsen, Wenger have committed some drive ending penalties - some of which were scores. You simply can't have that so repeatedly. The kicking game is and has been terrible almost every year. In 2007 the punting was terrific since we punted 7 times every game. How is it we cannot find/and/or develop decent kickers?
My question is, what the heck is happening at practice? I mean its the little things that are killing them. THe little things are not being addressed. I just don't think Weis has the ability to truly develop players. He can put pretty talented players in spots to perform, but he simply cannot bring out the best and develop these 4/5 star kids into superb athletes. Something is missing. I just think that ND hired another guy that has never been a head coach at a D1 school (Faust, Davies) and is experiencing the fallout from such. At Pitt, I noticed hands on the hips during the first quarter on BOTH sides of the ball - inexcusable. Shouldn't be winded in the first quarter by game 10.
If its recruiting, how many athletes are we NOT getting because Weis is there? I can guarantee we've missed the boat on several. Listen, these 4/5 star kids are not going to keep letting wind get blown based on 7-6 and 7-5 campaigns.

Play calling? Holtz had that wish bone set when they got down to the 5 yard line. Why is it necessary to try the fade/lob almost every time? If they try that WildFLAT set one more time, I swear they deserve to lose 4 yards.

In sum, most of these if not all come down to coaching. Five years is long enough.

It really doesn't matter to me if CW stays or go, I am out of the loop. He will leave the team better off talent wise than when he arrived, but a change in coaching will cause recruits to go elsewhere and current players to transfer. They did in 2002 and in 2005 and in 2010 but I don't believe for a minute that CW is the only guy that can recuit athletes to ND.

It can be argued that any team that has beaten ND the last five years is a better recruiter than CW.

Yes, I'm a crazy ND fan who thinks Bob Stoops would be more then happy to walk the sidelines at ND. Money is no object for the Irish, whatever the buyout on Stoops contract is it's pennies to ND. What other coaching job pays 4 million a year and puts you at the center of college football?

There is much wrong with the ND football program, and it didn't start with Charlie Weis. The situation has deteriorated for at least 15 years starting with the "retirement" of Lou Holtz and the hiring of Bob Davie. Those who remember that far back know it was a process disaster. Then there was the firing of Bob Davie a year after he received a contract extension. Then, the hiring of resume enhancer George O'Leary. And how about the panicked hire of Tyrone Willingham. Gosh, whatever happened to that wonder boy, Kevin White? Let's hope he has minimal influence on the Duke basketball program. Then there was the hiring of Charlie after Urban Meyer used Fr. Jenkins and Trustee Phil Purcell (who now has his name on the basketball arena) to leverage a better pay offer from Florida. Those who have faith in Swarbrick, get a life. The university itself has a dysfunctional administration. The smart guys like Stoops and Harbaugh will rip a page from the Meyer playbook. In fact, Harbaugh's contract at Stanford is already being renegotiated.

I don't hate the university, have no reason too, it's just the arrogant football fans that still feel like team matters at the top levels of the football world. Feel that they can go out and get any coach that they want or that they 'deserve' to be in the BCS vs actually earning that right. Again, I applaud the confiction that you have for your team, just be honest and realistic about things.

Right on the money. I read an article from (the hair) Mel Kiper Jr. talking about the recruiting classes of Lou Holtz.

#1 ranked recruiting class 4 straight years 87-90

from the Nat'l Championship Team 21 of the 22 starters were drafted into the NFL - Tony Rice was the only one not to get drafted.

28- 1st and 2nd round draft choices
Would have been 29 but the Rocket went to the CFL

If there had not been a Bob Davie, there wouldn't have been a TY, George, or Charlie and maybe even a couple more championships.

Always amazed at the level of rancor in the anti-ND talk. Having graduated from there, there is no finer campus in the country. Have got to believe it's either religious bigotry or envy that makes people that angry about Notre Dame and its fans. Sounds like it goes beyond football, which means inadequate feelings about their lives.

RH reality is, that ND is a lot further along than people like you or me thought or ever concieved furthermore give credit they could ever get with Chuck at the helm. You actually think he has not proven to these coaches they can win big games at ND ie, SC game or Michigan game. You mean to tell me you don't see these coaches fathoming or going through this thought process in their heads? They can see themselves winning a couple more games here or there. Especially if "this" or "that" coach corrected some of the decisions that Chuck made that cost us momentum and field position in the last few games. and with our ND schedule get us to a BCS bowl game albeit how major the bowl game may or might not be.

ND fan,
You are not going to be happy until you win every game, every year. Impossible. Stoops. Can he get better players? Last time I checked he has lost a load of games this year, and dont tell me becuase his QB is hurt. If he was a great coach, he would have another highly recruited stud to simply fill in the void. Fact is that the Irish have had good years , just not the perfect year that is required. Lets drop admissions and be like every other school, then we can win football games. That is what they did for Lou. Dont Irish fans have any pride in their school. I guess not, lets get criminals like at TN and FL. That would be cooool.

WOW, thanks Tommy, your little speech IS the reason why there is so much anti-ND talk.

WOW, thanks Tommy, your little speech IS the reason why there is so much anti-ND talk.

ugetwutuas4, it's been a pleasure. It's good to stick up for your team, we obviously have different views on that, but hey that's what makes the sports world so much fun.

Why would be want Stoops? So we can have a great regular season and bomb in the BCS, we have already done that under CW. Remember 2005 and 2006.
And, by the way, didn't Oklahoma lose to Boise State in the greatest upset since Super Bowl III. Wasn't it Stoops that instead of handing the ball off to Adrian Peterson decided to let his fifth year redshirt QB (who was his starting WR) throw the ball 40 times in that game.

Why would be want Stoops? So we can have a great regular season and bomb in the BCS, we have already done that under CW. Remember 2005 and 2006.
And, by the way, didn't Oklahoma lose to Boise State in the greatest upset since Super Bowl III. Wasn't it Stoops that instead of handing the ball off to Adrian Peterson decided to let his fifth year redshirt QB (who was his starting WR) throw the ball 40 times in that game.

I gaurantee Stoops could have tied found a way to beat UM without having to pass the ball late in the 4th qtr! I gaurantee Stoops would have tied USC! I gaurantee Stoops would have found a way to stomp NAVY at home! Stoops might have lost to PITT? Due to big emotional let down from being 7-0! Now tell me if that is too many IF'S?

I gaurantee Stoops could have tied found a way to beat UM without having to pass the ball late in the 4th qtr! I gaurantee Stoops would have tied USC! I gaurantee Stoops would have found a way to stomp NAVY at home! Stoops might have lost to PITT? Due to big emotional let down from being 7-0! Now tell me if that is too many IF'S?

mrrandolph,

who would you like to hire. Stoops is what I heard, I also her the dude from Iowa, Farrentz? I think that a new coach would be great, but you still need players. C'mon man, jump on the bandwagon to lower admissions and win football games!!!

mrrandolph,

who would you like to hire. Stoops is what I heard, I also her the dude from Iowa, Farrentz? I think that a new coach would be great, but you still need players. C'mon man, jump on the bandwagon to lower admissions and win football games!!! it is hard to win them all, ask Pete

Sorry MRRANDOLPH but that BCS game against BOISE STATE was not even close to a SUPER BOWL GAME or even a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME in college. The OU players from that game especially defense that gave up a TD on a STATUE OF LIBERTY play really know why they lost that game. I'm sure Stoops has won and made better decisions in more meaningful games than WEIS ever has or had!

It's hard to say what to do. Everytime I see a kid from one of these big time schools in trouble, I say, you won't see that under Charlie. Charlie get's it, he knows what ND wants, he recruits great kids and some are great football players. I always say, I would rather see out Irish 8-4 or 9-3 than on the blotter list of the local police every week. Would I like to see ND win a National Championship? Absolutely!!! I've been a ND fan for 45 years, I've seen all the good and the bad. Everybody loves Lou, hell, I love Lou, but Lou did not recruit alter boys. Look at a some of the kids he brought in and that had a little bit to do with his dismissal. We all want great kids, great athletes, National Championships, 13-0 seasons every year, but at what cost? Fire Charlie, I don't know. Sure, sometimes (a lot of times) he's hard to stomach with his attitude, but he is a ND guy and loves ND. We all love ND. If Charlie goes, Clausen and Tate are sure to go, and what about the recruits coming in? Tough decisions have to be made and we as fans have to and will live with it. If you love ND as I do, you will support ND whatever decision they make. If it's Charlie so be it, if not so be it. Any and all decisions will be made for the better of ND. Believe me, it rips my heart out after every loss, but that is what makes us the greatest fans of all. We are passionate about our Irish, win or lose we'll always love our lads
GO IRISH!!!

That is a Great ?

My first choice and it is a long shot but he would have instant credibility and would do an incredible job representing the school is Tony Dungy. Probably impossible.

Farentz sounds good along with Tom Clements
Tommy Tuberville from Auburn would be worth looking into also

And, it is too late, but Sarkisian from Washington would have been a good choice.

I say keep Weis for the main reason you are saying...he's an ND guy! That will definitely help you win ball games! He recruits good guys... maybe he should stick to plain, old ND admissions recruiting and leave the football recruiting to someone who can coach football.

Hold fast JIM but BETTIS, WATERS, RICE, ROCKET, MAYES, BROOKS, DERECK BROWN, DU BOSE, LYGHT, ZORICH, MC DOUGAL, BRYANT YOUNG, LAKE DAWSON, BOBBY TAYLOR, IRV SMITH, RAY ZELLARS, LEE BECTON, just to name a few have never made poor decisions in a major way ie robbery at TENN or OREGON/BOISE STATE. Those players all were successful at ND and for some time in the NFL. Maybe not as GREAT as others or as we may have expected but still great examples of what ND should be about. In a perfect world kids would be kids and still make mistakes no matter how perfect you may or may not want ND to be!

I'll tell you why. Because whether you like to admit it or not, this is still one of the premier football programs in the country. Weis is probably gone and as soon as the next coach gets the Irish back to a BCS game, the past will be forgotten. Some coaches hestitated to interview for the position when Weis was hired becasue they thought they couldn't recruit the type of player with the academics and talent to be a top 10 program. Weis has proven you can still successfully recruit against the warm weather schools. The talent is there now. Given that Weis has proven kids are willing to come to ND and the cupboard is pretty well stocked, I think this will attract a lot of top level coaches, like Stoops. They won't have a major rebuilding project on their hands.

Pat Fitzgerald is the top candidate. He faces tough academics at Northwestern. He is a safe choice and would not command the money a top tier coach wants. He is available now and could assemble his staff right now

Who made that rule? That's not what happened in 85'.

ND should think about a high school football coach even though I know they never would. Furthermore the coach I'm thinking about I know would never leave the place he is at. But there is a small private school on the SOUTH SIDE of CHICAGO, IL. called MT.CARMEL that has a GREAT COACH and has been GREAT for a long time, named FRANK LENTI.

LENTI has coached great players such as McNABB, CHRIS CALLOWAY, SIMEON RICE, STEVE FILER to name just a few.

YOU WILL NEVER KEEP GOING UP HILL IF YOU SHANGE COACHES EVERY 3 YEARS WHO WANTS TO GO TO A SCHOOL THAT IS CHANGING ALL THE TIME!!!!

GIVE HIM A FEW MORE YEARS THE NEW CLASSES ARE GETTING BETTER EVERY YEAR AND THE FUTURE IS LOOKING BETTER AND BETTER,LET THE COACH DO HIS JOB AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT NEXT YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

45 YEARS OLD AND HAVE BEEN A FAN FOR 45 YEARS USE TO LISTEN TO ND ON THE PORCH AT MY GRANDFATHERS TURNING ICECREAM

THATS RIGHT LISTEN ON THE RADIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tony Dungy? Now that is a laugh. He's the guy who loves Vick and all those other thugs. I'd never watch the Irish again.....

I'll give you the part about Stoops making better decisions and winning in more meaningful games than CW. That goes without saying.

But, that was like a nat'l Title game or Super Bowl to Boise State. The OU players thought Boise State would roll over and take a beating. They felt like it was their birthright to win and
showed no respect for Boise State; they felt a sense of entitlement.

The OU players,especially defense, know why they gave up 43 points. I wish they would tell a few of us so we will know.

And, if you look at the BCS record of the Sooners, you will see that they don't finish well.

It is time to let Charlie Weis go.

It is great to see that Notre Dame fans really don't care about Ws and Ls. Let's talk about graduation rates since Charlie Weis has been head coach. If they have been in 90% to 100% range (as Bobby Knight had at IU), then I say keep him. Otherwise, it is about winning. You can quote me on this one, bad coaches don't suddenly get better. How come all these great recruits don't translate into victories? Give me a bunch of hungry, lousy recruits that take me to the national championship game.

Weis has had a fair year lossing only to teams by one or two points. Coming back in all games that they were down in. What makes anyone of you out there think that you could do any better. It takes time to build a skyscraper it takes time to build a bridge it takes time to rebuilt anything ! That's what he is doing and I beleive next year will be the best year since the 80's !

Weis has had a fair year lossing only to teams by one or two points. Coming back in all games that they were down in. What makes anyone of you out there think that you could do any better. It takes time to build a skyscraper it takes time to build a bridge it takes time to rebuilt anything ! That's what he is doing and I beleive next year will be the best year since the 80's !

Get the kids in first and then worry about the graduation rates. If you are so worried about graduating these young men supply them with the tools to pass the courses. Tutor, babysit, whatever needs to be done. Do It!

What is the success rate of incoming freshmen at UND? What % graduate that get admitted? And, if the Administration thinks CW can do the job. I will support and defend their decision like I have since the 2007 season.

Swarbick will evaluate the program. Sometimes graduation rates and behaviors are more important than winning them all. If ND does not lower admissions, or give some exemptions, like they did in the 80's, then they are spinning their wheels hiring another coach. If it is more important to win than to recruit good student-athletes, then they will get better. If not,they will still be a program that competes every week, and sometimes wins 10 games a year. I like the Boemer statement, it also took ten years at Colorado. ND fan be patient, or expect to compromise the standards that exist, thus making the school just like all the rest. Which it is not.

James building a skyscraper and a bridge is not the same as building a skyscraper/bridge. Look at the bridges AND SKYSCRAPERS AROUND YOU TCU, BOISE STATE, OREGON, NORTHWESTERN, CINNCINATTI, just to mention a few. All of which weren't built overnight or over a decade some within a few years time. At least NORTHWESTERN can be happy with beating undefeated IOWA. IOWA would blow us out the water with the type of smash mouth football they play. What top notch victory have we've been proud of HAWAII.

Before you fire Weis, get someone in the administration that understands tradition, commitment, leadership, and spirit. Then get a coach that understands the concept of we. We won...we lost. Weis is so self centered that he understands none of the above even thought he went to Notre Dame. The string of loser coaches Notre Dame has hired is a disgrace and clear cut indication that there is no sign of intelligent life at the top.

Freshman come back at a rate of 98%. Athletically,

#1 Navy 98%
#2 Boston College 96%
#3 Notre Dame #95%
#4 Stanford 94%
#5 Wake Forest 93%
#5 Duke 93%
#5 Air Force 93%

Big time programs at the bottom:
#204 Alabama 44%
#204 Minnesota 44%
#204 Cal 44
#214 Georgia 41%
#216 Texas 40%
#217 Arizona 39 These are 2007 #'s.

In 2008:
Notre Dame led the nation in the GSR ratings for all student-athletes (at 98, tied with the United States Naval Academy), while also ranking first in both the GSR and federal standings for female student-athletes (100 GSR, 93 federal) -- as well as first in the federal listing for black student-athletes (84).

They are not perfect, but pretty dam good.

Get the kids in first and then worry about the graduation rates. If you are so worried about graduating these young men supply them with the tools to pass the courses. Tutor, babysit, whatever needs to be done. Do It!

What is the success rate of incoming freshmen at UND? What % graduate that get admitted? And, if the Administration thinks CW can do the job. I will support and defend their decision like I have since the 2007 season.

PS JAMES it doesn't take top-notch atheletes to build a skyscraper/bridge, it does to rebuild a program. Big fat out shape construction workers is what I mostly see no disrespect because I'm actually a 30 yr. old not in the best shape construction worker! STANFORD is another great bridge though not as big as the MANHATTAN BRIDGE.

IOWA, Smashmouth? WHen was the last time you watched them? C'mon man, you just lost all credibility. Hayden Frye was smashmouth, not now.

YES JOJO I said smash mouth as in DEFENSE and O-LINEMAN with shove it down your throat MENTALITIES. ESPECIALLY the way ND players run out on the field like "WORLD BEATERS" AFTER losing to NAVY!

Thanks JOJO! Great Info!!

GREAT INFO would be howabout then why can't we beat NAVY, barely squeak by B.C. this year and get blown out by them last year, and what about STANFORD JOJO make your case for them not being SMASHMOUTH ie HAYDEN FRY/CREDIBILTY JAB! What are they gonna do to us MR HIGHEST GRADUATION PERCENTILE AMONGST BLACK STUDENT ATHELETES

That is the thing for me. ND has changed coaches so often I don't know if it is all their fault. Yes, CW does some questionable things like going for it on fourth down in the Sugar Bowl against LSU from his own 30. Did the same that year against Air Force on his own 20. But, if you keep changing coaches you lose recruits and keep having players transfer. You are constantly running uphill instead of playing downhill.

Just like you CAN'T base your DECISION on W's and L's you CAN'T base your decision on how LONG it will take to RECRUIT or have players TRANSFERRING. For one if CHRIS MARTIN or whatever RECRUIT does not end up coming to ND. Then they AREN'T ND and ND was NOT in them to BEGIN with. Two, these other coaching candidates have time invested in these recruits also whether there the same ones or not and maybe even better recruits.

I really don't think they know how to win. I know, I know that is obvious. And, think of the mentality you develop as a lineman when all you do is pass block.

I wish they would line up and play smash mouth. I remember, the '92 Sugar Bowl, when they gave the ball to Bettis and took the bite out of the Gators.

NEITHER CHRIS MARTIN, NOR KYLE PRATER, NOR BRUCE GASTON JR, OR SEANTREL HENDERSON FOR THAT MATTER ARE GOING TO SAVE ND FROM A BAD SEASON NEXT YEAR WITH. CLAUSEN AND TATE, GONE. O-LINEMAN, GONE AND STRUGGLING D-BACKS ESPECIALLY IF WEIS IS COACHING THEM! FOR THOSE WHO SAY WE ARE FIGHTING AN UPHILL BATTLE.

Wow! You must really be getting your buttons pushed to capitalize every letter. Listen I am not a scout so I don't go out to the high schools every week and watch these kids play. I rely,like most, on these scouting resources to align a star system by a recruit to give me some idea if they are a good player. But, colleges, both big and small, have kids that were overlooked and walked-on or recruited as 2/3 star athletes that wind up the best of the best.

Even the pros overlook many players, a good example for me would be James Harrison, NFL Defensive MVP of the Steelers, cut 4 times and from Kent State.

No question about inadequacy. I'm just stumped if it mental, physical or both.

CHARLIE - 1 MORE YEAR!!!!
CHARLIE - 1 MORE YEAR!!!!
CHARLIE - 1 MORE YEAR!!!!
(ducking for cover now... lol)

No no buttons to push here but sometimes i just try to type my thought in as quickly as they come to me without slowing down which is also the reason for some of my mispellings and abreveation errors.. I do actually agree with some of your points. No one is perfect which is why i try not to expect so much out of our kids when deep down inside i know the odds nd kids face being an nd football player. and that maybe just maybe they did not lose to a team like NAVY because of bad play calling, lack of good refs, and or talent. i like to think our boy's in the armed forces had more to play for especially after the tragedy at ft.hood and played with more heart, determination, and hustle.

The ND program has improved with Weis and that is why he will be retained.

willmose(5), lou(9), 4ND(32), I think you folks made some great points.

Coaching is about wins and losses. More to the point, it's about what you do with the talent you have. I don't believe Weis is outstanding at attracting recruits. That's a good barroom debate. (Is it Weis or the knowledge that you get to be on national TV every week, and you don't play anybody decent for the overwhelming majority of your schedule, that brings kids into campus?)

But what isn't debatable is that Weis is not good at doing anything with those 4 or 5 star kids when they get to South Bend. I'm talking about more than a gimmicky fake field goal here or there. I mean getting all 11 players on the field to compete at the best of their ability for 60 minutes a game. Silly penalties, receivers not sprinting on routes, woeful pass blocking? All these are coachable errors. I would rather have 11 guys who have heart and desire than 3 guys who have great skills (when they use them) and 8 guys who play not to lose. Moreover, I mean designing schemes that exploit your player's strengths and cover their weaknesses. Two examples:

(1) How much better would Clausen be if Armando Allen got to run th ball on 1st down, and got 18-24 carries a game? The defense knows ND is going to run, so they either pin the DL's ears back and come after Clausen, or they drop 7 or 8 men into coverage. USC was able to get to Clausen with a FOUR man rush. We dropped 8 guys into coverage, and there was nowhere to throw. If the coaches were willing to use the senior O-line to block for Allen, then defenses would have to stack the box with 7 or 8 guys, and they would not be able to double-cover Tate. It's synergy.

(2) ND's defensive coordinator calls a ton of blitzes, but ND gets no sacks. What ends up happening? Your secondary get stretched trying to cover the spots vacated by the blitzers, and the defense doesn't get the offense off the field. I can see why the strategy would work with better personnel. But if you integrated the offensive and defensive philosophies, you'd see that you have talent at QB, WR, and RB. Let the offense do its job and play a more conservative defense. Force the other team's offense to out-score the ND offense, rather than forcing ND's offense to have a flurry of TD's in the 4th to make up the ground you cost yourself in quarters 1 - 3 by blitzing to no apparent end.

And WHAT is it with so many ND fans thinking that their school is "at the center of college football?" Quit living in 1970 or 1980 or 1990. Being on national television every week doesn't help you if you lose every other week. It just makes your losses that much more visible. Bob Stoops and Urban Meyer are not coming to South Bend. The hiring decisions are muddled and no coach with a stable position at a nationally-prominent school would jeopardize his career to become the next Ty Willingham. You might find another unproven pro assistant who dreams of being a head coach. But you'll end up firing him in X years when your school doesn't win national titles.

ND is a program with a storied history and a sputtering recent past and present. It's called ubi sunt. Take off the rose-colored glasses. Look around you. ND is not the premiere program in college football. It hasn't been for a long time. Until you get realistic about that, you're going to be whining about a call here or a call there, or pointing to the meaningless stat that you're only X points away from being undefeated.

Nothing I said here was mean-spirited. I meant it all genuinely. What are the odds that most of you will be able to say the same about your responses to me?

For what it's worth, I grew up liking ND football, and I want to see ND football improve. I want my team's rivalry games to be heated, contested, and the most difficult games on the schedule. That way, winning those games means something, and losing those games (heaven forfend) is respectable.

Oops, sorry about the typos -- I meant the defense knows ND is NOT going to run.

If Buddy Ryan is still alive and kicking, Notre Dame should bring him in in some capacity. Notre Dame could do alot worse in the "bringing in a Guru deal" than Buddy Ryan.

Take it from me, ND doesn't have a prayer, as long as they keep CW.
Unless they schedule some High School football teams to play against, that MIGHT get them ranked. You bunch of egotisical snob losers.He has been at Notre Lame for FIVE years,and next year when you go 7-5 or 8-4 are you going to give him another year and then another????? get rid of the bum. Or do you so called catholics enjoy the suffering????

I want to start by saying Notre Dame does not need or want an Urban Meyer or a John Gruden. For startes Gruden can not do anything on offense especially with QB's... look at Tampa Bay. As far as Urban goes he does not have the class, character, or morals that TOUCHDOWN CHARLIE has and never will. CHARLIE has all the characteristics that make ND ND. Charlie did not get out coached in any of the games we lost. Our defense either blew it or a receiver fell down in the end zone (Duvall v USC) or dropped several passes (Tate v. Michigan) on top of all this we would lose recruits againg and have to rebuild again and not win 8 games with a new coach not to mention we would lose Clausen and Tate to the draft. And if that is not enough then what about the character and fight he has put in the players this year not to mention the donation to the linebacker at BC and the play calling the other year for the child dying with cancer. Stop comparing him to davie and ty ND made a mistake by getting rid of TY so soon and should not repeat the mistake by getting rid of TOUCHDOWN CHARLIE... WE LOVE YOU CHARLIE.

The problem with Norte Dame is that they have been independant way to long and need to join a conference so they can get better recruits quite frankly all the schools are kicking our ass when it comes to it plain and simple,until the Atheltic Director at Norte Dame realizes this then we are always going to have a medicore football team every coach is going to get fired because they went 35-25 over the last past 5 seasons. I think they should either join the Big East Conference in which they are involved in every other sport except football or the Big Ten. Look at the basketball recruits they always having a Top 25 team every year,and make it to the NCAA playoffs every year,why is that because there in conference where they get the best recruits in the nation to come and play. Lets do it Norte Dame join a conference and get it over with.

michael, you said Weis didn't get outcoached in any ND loss. I beg to differ. Just two examples: Navy and USC.
Navy: Navy threw only about 4 passes all game, yet one of them completely fooled ND's defense. The fullback killed ND, according to Weis. That's a lack of coaching. You're playing a triple-option and don't assign a linebacker to hit him every time? Pop Warner coaches know that one. Navy's coach knew Weis would coach the same way he did the previous year, and used that information against ND. Outcoaching Weis in the process.
USC: ND didn't run the ball, and Pete Carroll knew they wouldn't run it. So he rushed 4 guys and put 7 guys back in coverage. There was no one to throw to, and Clausen got sacked and pressured with a 4 man rush. Weis didn't anticipate that and made no adjustments. Even a Pop Warner coach would have started calling draw plays. Does Weis not have faith in any of his RB's? He got out-coached. On the other side of the ball, ND had no answer for USC's receiver screen. Damian Williams burned ND for a long TD. Anthony McCoy caught several long passes out of the same formation, after running wide open (and before dragging hapless and half-hearted defenders for 20+ yards). Pete Carroll out-coached Weis.
You assume that Clausen and Tate will be back next year if Weis STAYS. You've seen how frustrated Clausen is at the end of games. How will he feel next year, when there's a new, inexperienced O-line? Clausen doesn't exactly handle pressure well. And do you think Tate wants to come back for another season when the O-line won't be able to give Clausen (or whoever the QB is) time to find him on any pattern longer than 7 yards? I think both young men are thinking about the scouting combine. In a few months, Clausen may be renting another stretch Hummer limo to make another big announcement.
Finally, I have news for you. You're rebuilding NOW. You've been rebuilding ever since Holtz got fired. It's reality. Best thing to do is acknowledge it. Otherwise you'll never change it.

clausen and tate are as good as gone..they will not stay another year and lose out like pawlus did.

Actually that title belongs to the Master Of Entitlement Embezzelement..............Ty WillingSham!!!

What's with all the talk about Brian Kelly? He's a fad. We need a proven winner at the college ranks - URBAN MEYER! Open the check book and do what it takes to get him.

Notre Dame needs to do what Cincinnati and Xavier have done in the Queen City. Cincinnati joined the Big East when football when on the down-spiral and Xavier joined the Atlantic Ten in basketball when its never been any good, so ND needs to join the Big East in football and have a chance for the National Championship and/or a quality Bowl bid.

Notre Dame needs to do what Cincinnati and Xavier have done in the Queen City. Cincinnati joined the Big East when football was on the down-spiral and Xavier joined the Atlantic Ten in basketball when its never been any good, so ND needs to join the Big East in football and have a chance for the National Championship and/or a quality Bowl bid.

Timothy ND is never joining a conference with the NBC deal still around. The path is easier to the BCS the way things are know anyway. ND doesn't need to lure any coach, they can buy who ever they want to coach. Personally I think if Jimmy stays Golden stays plus ND has solid people at wide out. This site seems to have a lot of USC fans which is interesting because USC defensive problems started after the ND game. Shouldn't you USC fans be worried about the Holiday bowl anyway?

All great comments. I dont want to ever see ND lose and yes i would say our fans can be unrealistic due to what our storied program is. But we have to keep in mind several things. 1st what NOTRE DAME stands for. Notre Dame is about charater, its about life, its about others before self. Notre Dame is about makeing the world a better place. "It is about FIGHTING for what is right" We are just lucky that for 13 or so weeks of the year we get to show the world what Notre Dame is about on the gride iron. We have lost alot of close ones this year. Yes some calls have be questionable. But the one thing they havent done is give up they do keep fighting to the very end and isnt that what Notre Dame and life are all about. Yes Charlie is an ND'er and that means alot because even if he is fired he is still part of the Notre Dame family and he does embodie everything that is Notre Dame. We arent just another football school. Notre Dame is an Ivy Leage school with a storied football program that was the envey of the college football world. The administration and staff just need to figure out how to make it all work and get the program back where it needs to be. I for one dont want to see Notre Dame lower its standards, or character just to get our program back to the top faster. Everything that Notre Dame stands for is leasons on how to live life and we all must keep that in mind. ALL ND STUDENT ATHLETS represent more than a team when they take the field. They represent the Notre Dame family, character. They win on the field becasue they win in life. They never quit FIGHTING. At this point the best thing for all fans to do. Is get behind our coaching staff and our athlets and support them. They represent us every saturday in the fall and they dont quit on us so we shouldnt quit on them. Quiting is not what Notre Dame is about. But our Administration must figure out a winning plan.

GO IRISH

There are alot of things you can say about a coach or a team but the true show of character of a team is its players. If the players on this team didn't love and respect their coaches you wouldn't see them game after game fighting until the end. Hey, it's frustrating for me to watch the defense continually put the offense in a bad situation, but all the negative voices around the country are putting our future in a bad situation. Y'all are betting on the possibility that someone else could do a better job. Well it takes time to build champions. Are you willing to bring in someone else who will have the excuse that they need time to prove themselves with their players or will you give Charlie another year to prove to everyone that all the good things he's brought to the university are worth while. Seriously, I liked Ty, but he took us out of the conversation. Charlie has brought us back into the conversation. Bottom line, win the last 2 games and keep your job.

I think that the way Notre Dame plays is inspiring. What they really need is for Charlie to wear that gray sweatsuit again on the sidelines...very classy. I think they should give him a lifetime contract. That way I won't have to worry about seeing them in another major bowl game.

Ha! What was Oklahoma before stoops got there? Answer they were horrible year in and year out. Nebraska would treat OU like a prostitute every year! Great coaches can rebuild programs period. What were Alabama and LSU before Saban? Nothing! A great coach at Notre Dame can win national championships period. Trust me Notre Dame will be back The last three coaches at Notre Dame have been not bad but HORRIBLE. Davies has never coached a game since he got fired, Willingham ran the UW program into the ground he will never coach again and after ND fires Weis he will be hired in ten minutes in the NFL as a coordinator but will never be a head coach. Believe me once ND hires a great coach he will get this program back on track and Notre Dame will compete for national championships year in and year out. Period!

You are right on the money. They do fight and ND is in the conversation and they are competitive. Are they over the hump? Not by a long shot. But, atleast they are in the games or they find a way to get back into the games. There is still alot of fight in the Irish.

Under Ty, I felt they lost their fight. I remember in one game (I believe it was BYU in Provo) they did so bad that I had to go out and cut the Fighting off of the bumper sticker on my car.

Lifelong ND fan. I think the problem is we do not get enough out of what we have. Look at some of these small schools that blow up these other school. you have to be fundamentally sound all the way around. I say we search for a coach that is proven, someone that gets more out of their players. If we get someone like this we will turn the corner. It becomes a windfall effect, better recruits start coming. Plus add the education they will recieve and it becomes a no brainer. All it takes is a spark. Do not worry about Urban, Stoops or any of the named coaches. We just need a good coach....

I think Charlie's time is up. He has done some good things in his time here, but something is missing as evidenced by his overall record - especially against top opponents. I think Charlie fails to inspire his players. He is all x's and o's with not much heart. He also fails to inspire top conditioning. I have read a lot of suggestions here about who to replace him with, but have seldom heard mention of Ken Niumatalolo. I can picture him on the sidelines better than anyone else.

congratulations, finally someone with a lucid explanation

mrrandolph: did you really cut that bumper sticker? Bold move. I trust you replaced the "fighting" part when Weis came aboard and used Ty's players to go 9-3 and then 10-3.

DOMJ: Interesting observation about Weis being a coordinator again. I think he could be a collegiate recruiting coordinator, or a pro QB coach. I don't know who would hire him as a pro coordinator again though. Not saying it wouldn't happen; just that I cannot picture who'd do it. I think that job depends in large part on two things: pre-existing relationships and humility. I don't know that Weis has either of those things. :)

1. charlie took the notre dame job because he knows and loves notre dame. if charlie and his staff were to get disguted by all of this media garbage, neither charlie not his staff would take any buyout money from notre dame, no matter what any contracts may state.
2. while we do not have any decision making power in notre dame, we know who currently does.
3. each one is a notre dame graduate who excelled as a student athlete playing football at notre dame,in the nfl, and in their personal and business lives.
4. each one is much too sophisticated to buy into this media con operation that currently shows notre dame as having lost 4 games this season, each of which notre dame won, only to be roobed by dishonest officiating.
5. each one knows how to break down game films to expose crooked officiating.
6. each one also knows that, until the current corrupt officiating, rules enforcement, and rankings systems are replaced with honest high tech systems fully transparent to and accountable to the public and, anyone who coaches at notre dame, an independent in football, will continue to get screwed by dishonest conference officials.
7. the immense pressures directed at notre dame by the media and even by some uninformed notre dame alumni and fans are really nothing more than an attempt to force notre dame to get into the sewers with the football factories, betray notre dame's obligation to every notre dame student athlete who also plays football, and become a member of crookled college sports enterprises.
8. notre dame will never cave in to these pressures or notre dame would cease being notre dame.
9. if anyone with decision making power over football matters at notre dame were even considering firing charlie or his staff, that decision would have been announced a long time ago.
10. obviously, if charlie and his staff were to be fired, jimmy clausen and others would leave for the nfl and the recruiting network which charlie and his staff brought back from the dead would be dead forever.
11. anyone who does not like these facts had beter find another school to root for, if they really are notre dame fans or alumni, since notre same is not going to fire charlie or his staff.
12. on the other hand, crooked college sports enterprises and every person and entity asociated with those con operations, including pete carroll, will not be back next season.
13. we are taking care of those matters in the civil courts right now and we never stop attacking until we have won the entire wars.
14. the court records of the enron and mci worldcom civil rico litigations are a matter of public record.
GO IRISH!!!

Charlie needs to stay. Let's allow a coach to build a team in more than 5 years unlike Tyrone. They are 6-4 this season. It's not like they are 0-10. Yeah their record should be better, but good things take time. The one thing with the program that needs to change is the defense. Tenuta's blitz package obviously doesn't work with ND's personnel. In the 4 irish losses, the offense has scored 32,27,21, and 22 points respectively. Those are scores that should give a team a victory. 32 was a definite against a terrible Michigan Wolverine team. 27 should beat USC this season. 21 against Navy should always do the trick, and 22 against Pittsburgh should be about enough. USC and Pittsburgh should have been games where the defense stepped up because of the excitement of the game at least. They fail time and time again to make the stops when they need to. Simple fact is that it is Tenuta, not Weis, that needs to be run out of South Bend. Notre Dame should look for a defensive coordinator from the NFL that knows how Charlie operates and can maybe communicate better with him. A defensive coordinator that stands on the sideline and can talk to his players and help them adjust. Corwin Brown could get the boot as well. ND's pass defense is equally as bad as the front 7. Actually get a coach rather than a former player. ND's offense is BCS ready while defense is below mediocre. A restructured defense is just the medicine Charlie needs to issue.

This just in: Sarah Palin has hired robertg to prove that you actually CAN see Russia from Alaska.

robertg, acting on Palin's behalf, will not rest until there are high-tech transparent systems in place to expose the crooked process by which people are allowed to vote for the candidate of their choice, instead of voting for Sarah Palin.

robertg, using his vast array of legal techniques and immense Rolodex of well-placed sources, will show that Sarah Palin actually received more votes than John McCain OR Barack Obama, once you correct the crooked voting process. The electoral college is obviously rigged in favor of black people and/or old white men, and once this fact is proven in court, Sarah Palin is the only candidate left.

robertg, being a top-notch legal mind who is well aware of his ethical obligations, would NEVER tip his hand as to what he intends to do. Thus it falls to me, a lowly know-nothing fan of an alleged "football factory," to bring you this exclusive scoop. No word, as yet, on whether Pete Carroll was involved in the dastardly plot to rob Sarah Palin, who appears to be of quasi-Irish descent (or at least she looks good in green), of her God-given position at the nation's helm.

You heard it here first.

stephen of troy(aka mr. total desperation),
1. we know about the desperation that has set in at pete carroll's crooked usc full time football program.
2. almost every person who follows college football has noticed the on the field meltdowns of usc's full time football players.
3. anyone who thinks that those meltdowns do not also reflect off the field meltdowns of petey and usc's attempted coverup operations is very mistaken.
4. the big disclosure case that we won forcing the ncaa, for the 1st time in history and after spending millions in legal fees only to lose at trial and on appeal, to disclose to the public every document relating to the ncaa investigation of academic cheating at florida state, forces the ncaa to disclose every document relating to the ongoing investigation of petey and usc and forces those responsible at the ncaa to testify under oath at public deposition about why, despite the overwhelming evidence, the ncaa has taken no action against petey and usc.
5. we already know the answers- certain people at the ncaa have a payoff system available for people like petey and the usc football program. we know how the cash flows also.
6. the meltdowns which we have all seen of usc's full time football players on the playing fields are a reflection of the sense of doom that has hit your troy lately since those involved at the ncaa are not going to take the fall for petey and usc.
7. if you look at pete carroll's ancestry, you will find significant irish dna. will that do petey any good with us? no way.
8. although i once did see sarah palin play basketball while she was in high school, i have had no contact with her since then. sarah does have irish ancestry, before her family moved to alaska, they attended cathlic churches.
9. my associates and i are fully occupied with exposing and destroying crooked college sports enterprises and have zero time or interest in anything else until we have completed that project.
10. i did a write in ballot for the last election, voting for tiger woods as president and eddie murphy as vice president(due to eddie's excellent performance in the movie" a distinguised gentleman" which, for obvious reasons, no one connected with politics ever wants to hear about, just as you and your trojan friends do not want to read or hear anything from us.
11. it will not be long, despite the large amounts of money that people associated with the usc football pay to media shills, before this garbage about charlie weis disappears and the full focus comes down on petey and his crooked usc football program.
12. there is simply nothing that anyone can do to stop us now.
GO IRISH!!!

I really did cut off the "Fighting" and left the leprechaun. And, I do appreciate Ty leaving enough talent to go to Two BCS bowls
the first two years of CW.
With that being said, we need to remember that the 2007 and 2008 teams were filled with the players Ty left also. The 2007 team were the Juniors and Seniors that Ty recruited and since Charlie was hired late most of his first class were committments that Ty secured.

Charlie Weis needs to be allowed to stay through the term of his contract at ND. The school needs to get over it, well the tradition is strong, and will be again, Weis is doing all the right things, and while Elite programs such as SC, Alabama, tOSU etc. will remain strong in most years the rise of Florida is a short term thing that will again fade.

ND has gone through a fe tough years, but Weis is the right guy in the right place. Pete Carol he isn't and expecting instant results was wrong, but all the pieces are in place in a year or two to rise again to it's place as the 3rd most successful program in CFB (SC & Alabama being the only betters that ND has).

I want Weis back for 1 more year - he deserves that - this team deserves that.

Bringing Weis back for one more year keeps Clausen, Tate, and Floyd together for one more season and allows other offensive weapons (Kyle Rudolph, Armando Allen, Shaquelle Evans, Robby Parris, Duval Kamara) who have started to emerge this season a chance at AMAZING THINGS next year!

Otherwise, we repeat the same old cycle of past firings and ensuing first year coaching success. Davie fired - Willingham has a great first season with Davie's boys. Willingham fired - Weis has a great first season with Willingham's boys. If Weis would be fired, who will inherit Weis' boys? I don't want history to repeat itself.

Keep Weis. 1 More Year.

I want Weis back for 1 more year - he deserves that - this team deserves that.

Bringing Weis back for one more year keeps Clausen, Tate, and Floyd together for one more season and allows other offensive weapons (Kyle Rudolph, Armando Allen, Shaquelle Evans, Robby Parris, Duval Kamara) who have started to emerge this season a chance at AMAZING THINGS next year!

Otherwise, we repeat the same old cycle of past firings and ensuing first year coaching success. Davie fired - Willingham has a great first season with Davie's boys. Willingham fired - Weis has a great first season with Willingham's boys. If Weis would be fired, who will inherit Weis' boys? I don't want history to repeat itself.

Keep Weis. 1 More Year.

Just one thing and I hear it repeated all the time on ESPN and others: Davie was not fired; his contract was not renewed. Faust was not fired; his contract was not renewed.

robertg:

1) You puzzlingly referenced desperation with respect to myself and Pete Carroll. The only thing we are desperate for is a chance to play ND again so we can pad the stats. Desperate? Pete's win-loss record is the envy of every active coach. He was just asked to speak to the commanders of our nation's Special Forces. He's not desperate. And as for me, well, my life is, for lack of a better term, GOLDEN these days. Speak for yourself, mister everything-bad-that-happens-to-ND-is-part-of-the-grand-conspiracy. And what's with all the my-big-brother-is-coming-tomorrow-just-you-wait nonsense? Officials will still officiate next year. Your Irish's losses will still be recorded as losses. You'll still be a whack job who pretends to be an attorney who pretends to be involved with some save-the-planet litigation that will turn college football on its head.

2) You referenced "on-field meltdowns" by USC players. Name one. Do not name anything involving Jimmy Clausen's hissy fits, temper tantrums, or bad sportsmanship following a loss. He is not a USC player.

3) The NCAA has "taken no action against petey and USC" because there's no evidence, overwhelming or otherwise, that they need to do so. Occam's Razor. Did they teach you about that at the make-believe online correspondence law school you studied at with Orly Taitz?

4) What's this about a cash payoff system for USC and other schools? What, don't they take Irish cash? We all know that ND has boatloads of money and is willing to throw it at Charlie "spying on the defensive signals helped me get my next job" Weis. Are you crying about not knowing who to bribe? At least invent plausible excuses, robert!

5) There's no such word as "cathlic." Shame on you. Where's the evidence that you have ANY education, much less an education from a Catholic university?

6) If you and your associates are "fully occupied with exposing and destroying crooked college sports," how do you explain your bizarre and time-squandering decision to write multi-numbered paragraphs of conspiratorial gibberish on this fan website? Is that anything like my plan to solve the energy crisis by throwing a tennis ball against the wall a thousand times a day? And don't your associates resent you screwing around for what must be hours a day instead of helping them with their gargantuan task? Besides that, everything you write here will be admissible in evidence by the crooked NCAA, et al. If nothing else, they're not going to pay you to settle with them when they KNOW that you're a crackpot (who can't even spell "Catholic" for crying out loud). Hello, public humiliation at trial! (if, that is, there actually was going to be a trial anywhere except in the vast recesses of the empty space between your ears, robert...)

7) Watching Palin play basketball in high school does not constitute "contact with her" so your sentence is nonsense. Nor do I believe you watched Palin play basketball. Unless you just HAPPENED to be in the Mat-Su valley for no apparent reason and decided to watch a random girls' basketball game instead of shooting an elk or doing some crystal meth. You're literally and figuratively all over the map, robert!

8) Nothing's going to stop you now, except your own delusions of grandeur. At what point will the nurses cut off your medication and force you to focus on writing the producers of M*A*S*H* about your class action suit forcing them to bring that show back?

For all of you that think Brian Kelly is going to be ND next HC. Top 5 teams Graduation Rate. This what we call Prop 48/16 players.

FL - 72%
Bama - 49%
Texas - 42%
Cin - 67%
TCU - 69%

ND - 93%

GoIrish20,

Finally a dude that gets it. We need to keep on fighting. No compromise on standards and admissions. You actually get it. Im sure there is a way to tweak some things and win the right way. The Irish way, the Fighting Irish Way! Ugetwhatuask4 does not get this.

Actually your wrong beacause I've never said Charlie doen't recruit the perfect student atheletes for ND, for 1. Two, I did mention however that we do need someone who will coach up our players or rather instill that fire and passion in players to in a way go all out and defensively play with an intensity and agrression where they can get off the field on 3rd and 4th and longs and force a few turnovers here and there. Third, after watching the IRISH captains in there press conferences and having the time to let of steem. I've realized that CHARLIE needs to stay and that he deserves 1 more year after so many close games this year. "IF" he can COACH the team UP to win out in the last 3 games especially if he can sock it DA U! Main reason I feel is because he has so many HATERS out there and he is the UNDERDOG and I LOVE UND UNDerdogs!

What a bunch of losers, all you notre lame fans remind me of the hollywood back patters who just suck up to one another, cause you have nothing else going for you.

Is this blog the best that MSNBC has to offer Irish fans? I find it hard to believe that there hasn't been any type of news out of South Bend since Monday. Tell us something that we do not already know.

Stick w/ CW....don't eat 18 million. These other coaches can get palm trees into their schools and use them as throwaways. Give him a couple of more years,

Stick w/ CW....don't eat 18 million. These other coaches can get palm trees into their schools and use them as throwaways. Give him a couple of more years,

I used to be on the keep CW band wagon. The comebacks were exciting, but the reality I keep wondering is why the heck it took til the 4th quarter to score in all those games. Tate's return td against Pitt wasn't a coached event it was luck and talent. Red zone has been an issue as has been the penalties. All that is the coaching of the kids. Could it be as simple as a tempo change? Is that why we score in the 4th? Upbeat tempo on the play calling? All I know is that I don't want another pro coach at ND. They deal with egos on their teams and forget about teaching that is needed at college.

If you want to talk about firing someone - how come Tom and Pat are not on the list. I am SOOOOOOOOOOOO sick of hearing these Notre Dame Football announcers get excited when the opposing team does anything good. Why can't NBC bring in ND guys like Jerome B, Steve B or Joe T to call the games. If ND is going to have 7 home games each year - I have to MUTE my TV so that I don't get sick. Let's talk about getting rid of these guys. -- Keep Weis -- ND is young and he is getting good players.

Well buddy, other schools have recruiting issues also...Penn State is an expensive school, very high standards, graduates 92% of athletes and most stay for thier 5th year of eligibility. Now the difference with these teams, Florida, Alabama, Texas OSU, Penn State, Oregon...I can go on...they all play very good teams annually, not sub par teams or military schools ( evne though you cant even beat Navy at home). See, the program at South Bend has gone down hill, you dont play anyone other then USC and that's an annual whopping, even when you dont mow the grass to slow them down. Your program needs a rebuild from top to bottom, schedule teams that will motivate your players and stop whinning about ND being the best, who they play doesnt put them in BCS categories..

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