Maybe Charlie Weis is one of the greatest offensive minds in college football, but Notre Dame isn't making him one of the highest paid coaches to be a good offensive mind. This defense has gotten worse as each year has passed and Weis is not making the right decisions to get it fixed. Tenuta was a horrible hire and Corwin Brown needs to be fired as well. Charlie also makes too many gimmick play calls and it cost him the navy game. Notre Dame needs a real coach who understands the college game with a good defensive mind. The offense will take care of itself. An offensive coordinator is easy to find. If Charlie stays I'm done watching the Irish and it will only get worse.

again keith, i question your statements with due respect.
1/ justifing a teams (navy)stature to try and ease the pain for the irish really does'nt cut it.
2/ you say beat pitt, then uconn, and then stanford and to the gatorbowl we go. the only possible way that happens is if weiss changes strips over night. rule that out, cause as per charlie in his postgame press conference "i never change how i do things"
3/silence the critics with a win over pitt? the silence you refer to will be the joy from us fans for the team. one game would not alter my stance on weiss. hes the one whos put his back firmly against the wall and and has no escape

OK I'm officially over this Navy Loss. Time to move on and get ready for PITT this should be a great game and I can't wait to watch my Coach Shut everyone up and knock the hell outta this Pitt Program!!
GO IRISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm Praying for ya CHARLIE

NOTRE DAME, after losing to NAVY, I am afraid that they
will also lose to PITT & possibly STANFORD. they could very
well end up with a 7 & 5 record, NOT ENOUGH TO KEEP MR WEIS
in South BEND! what an insult, losing to a team that got
beat by TEMPLE! IT'S TIME FOR ND TO GET OFF THEIR
POMPUS REAR ENDS & GET RID OF CHARLIE WEIS!

Mike..Thank You, I'm with your statement wholeheartedly...one addition - I'm praying that all players finish the season (including the Bowl - Gator?) injury free, and that each is inspired by the Holy Spirit to play every snap to the best of their ability and potential. We've all experienced a Job-like time in life where everything seems to be going against us...I suspect that the Irish players and staff must feel like that now. I pray that they have the inspiration and character to prevail.

Bottom line is that ND does not have the team speed especially on defense to play with the big boys. Unsure if they are hamstrung and speed needed just can't get accepted by ND. But there is a reason Urban Meyer didn't come to ND and I think it was because ultimately knew he couldn't recruit the players he needed to win National Championships like he can in Florida. But there is no excuse to losing to NAVY!

Won't beating PITT, which this team is very capable of, only point out how poor of a job they did against Navy. Keith, the point is not one player on Navy could (should) start for ND. Think about that. That is why ND won for 43 straight yrs. Now the've lost 2 out of 3, and 2 at home. The issue is not how talented this team is, but how poorly they are lead.

I too feel that a new defensive coordinator is need, one who stresses tackling and pass rushing. A shame to have such a good offence,and a defense who gives it away.

1. Why stop running Riddick when he looked like the best runner at ND in 10 years. One drive a legend doesn't make, but he looked great and then...benched.

2. Why not run the ball more vs. a team Temple destroyed on the ground last week? Yes, we're behind, but how about running it in the redzone more?

3. Why throw fade after fade inside the 5 when your OL outweighs the opposition by tons and when just one of our OL's "recruiting ranking (stars)" outnumber the entire defensive front combined?

4. Why stick with the "take what the defense gives you" approach on offense when we have the most accurate QB in ND history and two of the most explosive WR in ND history? I'll take Floyd or Tate vs. two middies any day of the week and twice on Sunday (er-Saturday). NBC talking heads applauded Navy for adopting BC's approach to D. Since when does BC and Navy's defense dictate to ND what we do. Talk all the stats you want, but the O failed miserably in the most important stats (turnovers and points).

5. The players may have cared at the end, but they certainly didn't to start the game. My wife immediately said to me as ND ran out of the tunnel - "Is the game starting? They don't look excited at all."

Charlie complained in his presser that ND job security is a week to week job. Wrong. He made it a week to week job with games like this. He'll sink in his own claims and words -- "schematic advantage" "9-3 isn't good enough" "we're gonna pound it" "let's not talk, let's show everyone how good we are" "we're gonna be a tough, nasty, physical football team". Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. and Wrong.

I admit that college fans are some of the nuttiest out there. Ask Bob Stoops or Jim Tressel who struggle with negativity in programs that have dominated in the last 10 years and who's programs are miles from ND at this point. But enough is enough. Even if we win out and go to a Bowl, what makes ANYONE think we won't see yesterday's scene played out again next year? I've defended Charlie to everyone I know, but yesterday was it. Inexcusable.

I am a big time USC fan but I am also a college football fan. Even though I am enjoying ND's fall from grace, I can't really say that a bad ND team is good for USC.
The one hire that probably won't make ND fans initially excited but will pay off big time in the long run is Oregon State coach Riley. His teams play USC tough and he is the only Pac 10 coach to beat Pete Carroll more than once (something Weiss has been unable to do). He doesn't have elite players but he does a great job of coaching up players. In addition, he has NFL experience and runs an NFL type of offense that won't impact the current ND players. Like I said I am a big time USC fan but I would really like ND to be good so that our games against each other will impact the BCS.

N.D. will lose big in Pittsburgh next week and it will not be close.The reason is because they have no defense or running game.Charlie Weis is the worst coach since Jerry Faust.

Notre Dame is bigger, stronger and faster at every position. Navy has superior coaching, the team is smarter and far more dedicated. Notre Dame will claim they learned something from this loss, but the adjustments they make will be the wrong ones because they are a big, bloated, stupid, excuse making, red tape producing bureaucracy. God Bless the Midshipmen, they are a great example for the rest of the country.

Notre Dame is bigger, stronger and faster at every position. Navy has superior coaching, the team is smarter and far more dedicated. Notre Dame will claim they learned something from this loss, but the adjustments they make will be the wrong ones because they are a big, bloated, stupid, excuse making, red tape producing bureaucracy. God Bless the Midshipmen, they are a great example for the rest of the country.

i still dont know why number 22 is still playing d, he cant cover but he makes up for it by not being able to tackle.. nd will be lucky to win another game this year.. the coaching is awful,they cant make real time adjustments.the d is horrible,, and that stoopid wildcat formation needs to go

CW's answer to one of the questions at his post game presser should give an indication as to why the team was so uninspired Sat. I forget the question but his answer stands out. He says
his approach to the week is always the same, win or lose. That's the problem. He's satisfied with losing. No emotion. That loss Saturday should have p****d him off. Instead, no emotion; no passion. It's just a job, just like in the pro's. Go back to Bill, CW. Yu were made for each other.

There is no chance Charlie will be back nor should he get another year. He will lose at least two more games before this year is out against Pitt and Stanford. Time to call Urban Meyer and find out how bad does he want to be a ND head coach

9-3? What's Charlie been smoking? But since ND is bowl eligible, I'm sure they will be a big draw at the Acme Pumbling Toliet Bowl, I put ND as 3 pont favorites over the Little Sisters of the Poor.

You can't keep firing coaches every few years. The problem with Notre Dame is they don't have the same calibur athletes on defense that you see at Alabama, LSU or Flordia. And unless they change their admission standards, it's not going to change. So either change the admission standards and allow in some "undesirables" or be content with an decent but not great football program.

Sam, Dead on. I don't care who they bring in too coach if they don't loosen their admission standards they will never have the athletes to compete with the USC, Alabama, LSU, Texas and Florida's over the world. I remember when Tom Osborne pretty much sold his soul to the devil and accepted the great athlete with the questionable background. It got him 3 National championships with many headaches!

that loss wasnt on weis to be honest. Jimmy needed to slide instead of taking on 2 defenders at the goal line. Parris needs to learn to hang on to the ball. Floyd, well a miscommunication was bound to happen eventually. Tausch makes either of those field goals and were not even having this discussion. Time and time again, the LB would go full on and hit the Qb instead of playing the outside man..which i think let them convert at least 4 or 5 3rd downs. So, blame who you want, but it certainly isnt ALL the coaches fault..I do think that a new D cordinator is not out of the question though...

Charlie Weis has shown that he is not qualified to hold his current position. The Irish were outcoached, again, and the midshipmen simply wanted it more. I have said it before, these kids need and deserve a coach who can push them beyond their limitations and who will help them develop the confidence to play like champions game in and game out.

Jimmy and Golden are both going to be gone after this year. After all, why stay when you know that CW is still going to be your coach and the only thing you can look forward to is more of the same sub-par coaching and bad decision making?

Hey you want to play the "blame Charlie card" fine. But hand it to Navy they earned a win and let's not forget they gave Ohio State all they could handle at the beginning of the year. You can blame Charlie for all the points the Irish left on the field but the defense was a mess. Keith Arnold is right give Navy credit this is a team that plays there game and you have to stop it and ND didn't. And for those who wish to enter the "lower admission standards" debate that is an old arguement and has been around since Lou Holtz! Lets face it that isn't a fix didn't help Steve down in South Carolina did it! The SEC maybe the best football conference but let us not forget the 24 arrests Urban Meyer had on his football team this season!

The numbers just aren't there. He has a 35-24-ish record over 5 years, with 1 win over a ranked team. Now he can't even beat the unranked teams.

I have never seen a team look so lost and unprepared out there on defense.

I also wish we can get away from calling Weis an "offensive genius." How many times has he been shut out? The raw skill of some of these players (Tate against USC especially) is making him look good, but he still has some of the most boneheaded playcalling you'll see on any given Saturday. Predictable playcalling in the redzone (the SAME fade route again and again), obvious 3rd and short calls.

Yes the execution was poor this week, but some of you are acting like this is the only game that we have lost over the past 5 years. Weis has been consistently mediocre. We could just as easily be 2-7 as 9-0 this year.

Weis needs to go. And we need a true college coach.

Liam, perfect.

Penn State lost to Ohio State this weekend. So I guess to some of you that makes JoePa an idiot. LSU lost to Alabama so that makes Les Miles an idiot too. When you go looking for "class" on a comment board don't come here. It is inhabited by a bunch of morons.

Love the enthusiasm in the article... Too bad our boys didn't have the same level of excitement coming into this game. Why don't the FIGHTING IRISH fight? Because their coach gives the other team more credit than they deserve!! We clearly have the talent... PLEASE give us someone who can coach them!!
We will NOT win the next 3 games... We don't have the coaching staff for a 9-3 record in 2009... Just the way it is.

Elite offensive mind? Are you kidding me? He may have a good offensive mind, but he's not in the elite.

Weis can't be fired based on emotions. He must be fired based on his team's performance, much like the head of any organization. Let's face it, his team is not performing. I don't care if you want to blame the players for their individual mistakes. In the end, the blame must be placed on Weis. If he stays for the remainder of his contract, expect to have a mediocre team that doesn't play up to their talent level and who loses 4 games each year.

Notre Dame is a dinosaur of a program and a has-been of a football school. Resting on its laurels, it has used the NBC money it earned before EVERYBODY was on TV to become a bloated, self-righteous, glorious-because-we-say-we-are institution. Only a school that always thought of itself as the "Harvard of the midwest" would be so hypocritical -- filled with cash rich legacies and yes men. An example of the hypocrisy: because they did not fit the ND mold of "traditional" QBs, Tony Rice and Kevin McDougal were thought to be less-than-desirable prototypes of an Irish QB. Yet no one has been better at the position since they left. They were winners. The place was too good for Randy Moss! Even when Holtz was there and force fed winning to the midwest padres, they ran him off because his charges couldn't make the cover of Boy's Life as well as highlight reels. One thing the Irish have become really good at is UNDER utilizing talent (see Bryant Young, Bert Berry, Ryan Grant and Justin Tuck, to name a few). Hence, the admission standards are not hurting the team as much as the tired, homogeneous, and self-righteous standards of the place and its programs.

Notre Dame is a dinosaur of a program and a has-been of a football school. Resting on its laurels, it has used the NBC money it earned before EVERYBODY was on TV to become a bloated, self-righteous, glorious-because-we-say-we-are institution. Only a school that always thought of itself as the "Harvard of the midwest" would be so hypocritical -- filled with cash rich legacies and yes men. An example of the hypocrisy: because they did not fit the ND mold of "traditional" QBs, Tony Rice and Kevin McDougal were thought to be less-than-desirable prototypes of an Irish QB. Yet no one has been better at the position since they left. They were winners. The place was too good for Randy Moss! Even when Holtz was there and force fed winning to the midwest padres, they ran him off because his charges couldn't make the cover of Boy's Life as well as highlight reels. One thing the Irish have become really good at is UNDER utilizing talent (see Bryant Young, Bert Berry, Ryan Grant and Justin Tuck, to name a few). Hence, the admission standards are not hurting the team as much as the tired, homogeneous, and self-righteous standards of the place and its programs.

Notre Dame is a dinosaur of a program and a has-been of a football school. Resting on its laurels, it has used the NBC money it earned before EVERYBODY was on TV to become a bloated, self-righteous, glorious-because-we-say-we-are institution. Only a school that always thought of itself as the "Harvard of the midwest" would be so hypocritical -- filled with cash rich legacies and yes men. An example of the hypocrisy: because they did not fit the ND mold of "traditional" QBs, Tony Rice and Kevin McDougal were thought to be less-than-desirable prototypes of an Irish QB. Yet no one has been better at the position since they left. They were winners. The place was too good for Randy Moss! Even when Holtz was there and force fed winning to the midwest padres, they ran him off because his charges couldn't make the cover of Boy's Life as well as highlight reels. One thing the Irish have become really good at is UNDER utilizing talent (see Bryant Young, Bert Berry, Ryan Grant and Justin Tuck, to name a few). Hence, the admission standards are not hurting the team as much as the tired, homogeneous, and self-righteous standards of the place and its programs.

AIB.... 3 words... Quinn and Clausen... Listen, I'm not ready to believe ND needs to change admission standards. And I certainly do not agree that we're a "hypocritical, self-righteous, glorious-because-we-say-we-are institution". Yes, it's harder to get in to ND. Yes, it's colder. Yes, the women dress a lot more modestly (mostly) than USC, LSU, Alabama, Florida and Texas chicks... (I do not think they're better looking, Mr. Cowherd). BUT... We are still recruiting the top 10 classes in the country!! The issues lie solely in the lack of emotion and heart passed down from our current coaching staff to our players. There is NO reason the group of kids out there Saturday afternoon should have been out played... AT ALL! They didn't come ready to kick the snot out of their apponent. They came with a reverent attitude for a group of kids that clearly deserve our respect for defending the country we all live in. But for those 3 hours they were the enemy.

I just read an article on NBC Sports Notre Dame Central and one section jumped out at me to show the lack of character that our head coach demonstrated. The following is a copy from the article.

{After the game, Notre Dame nose guard Ian Williams said that Navy "out-schemed us and I think they just played harder."

That drew a response Sunday from Weis, who pointed out that safety Kyle McCarthy said after the game that Navy's success had nothing to do with the scheme.

"There's a reason why one guy's a captain and one guy's not," Weis said.}

Are you kidding me! What a jerk kind of comment to make. Suggesting that because Ian Williams had the audacity to question the coaching skills of the almighty Charlie and his staff that he is somehow a lesser player. The University of Notre Dame deserves better and I'm not talking about wins and losses.

Keep Weis! The rest of college football would appreciate it! Notre Dame has a top ten recruiting class every year, regardless of the coach. With the coaches they have, (have had the past 15 years)the rest of college football can beat them. If ND had a great coach, they would be un-beatable. Keep Weis!

Right on...I had to catch myself from being offended when our team sang Navy's alma mater at the end of the game, and calmed down enough to remember sportsmanship and the bigger picture. BUT, during the game - Navy is the enemy. They obviously see ND that way and act accordingly...for those 3 + hours. We should treat each opponent the same way. Kick the snot out of them.

Keep Weis! The rest of college football would appreciate it! Notre Dame has a top ten recruiting class every year, regardless of the coach. With the coaches they have, (have had the past 15 years)the rest of college football can beat them. If ND had a great coach, they would be un-beatable. Keep Weis!

I'll end the GOOD, the BAD, the UGLY, like this:
The good is ND has rich history, yes. Currently a good COACH who is proving that the EXPLOSIVE players ND needs at the SKILL positions to WIN in big time college football are WILLING to sit on ND's side of the football "table" when ND meets on saturdays to discuss "BUSINESS" with the "BIG EIGHT" or any other team ND might face in a big time bowl game in the future. ND FORGETS that back when GOOD OL' MR HOLTZ was around ND still had PROBLEMS with DEPTH on ND's roster. Well maybe not depth but lets just say not as many future nfl players. Or at least you can say not as many as the CANES (CONVICTS), NOLES, GATORS, ETC. So, these teams have always been around. Even when ND was WINNING natn'l CHAMPIONSHIPS and facing teams such as the 'CANES (CONVICTS) AND NOLES LOADED with plenty of NFL talent, which are teams compairable to toady's GATORS and USC teams. ND knew back then ND couldn't compare to the AMOUNT and SIZE of talent they had but ND WAS TOUGH ENOUGH to BEAT those teams on any given day ESPECIALLY at HOME. Don't forget ND is merely trying to "eat" with them because on any given day EVERY team is BEATABLE, I'm sure any- and everyone would agree with that even if you live in VEGAS, L.A., DALLAS, MIAMI, ETC. ND may or may not EVER be a DYNASTY AGAIN but I'm sure EVERYONE would be happy with 1 'CHIP every 10 OR 20 YEARS as long as ND has waited! The DIFFERENCE is back then, HOLTZ was able to get in a players FACE and MOTIVATE the players to if nothing else DEFEND ND's FIELD, ND's TURF, ND's HOME. ND needs that back. The number one IMPROVEMENT I can see to DEFEND ND's "PLATE" ND's "SEAT" at the "table" is, ND's FRONTLINE. LOU had BIG, PHYSICAL, TOUGH, INTELLIGENT LINEMAN who were getting DRAFTED left and right by NFL teams. Saturday ND saw an O-line and D-line that was BEATEN BADLY for ND's "SEAT" at the "TABLE", something HOTLZ would never have allowed. I'm NOT saying it is or isn't ND's current coaches fault. But EVERY PLAYER at ND's "TABLE" were recruited to defend ND's TEAMMATES and ND's UNIVERSITY. I never experienced college life but I did play football at a high level at MT.CARMEL in CHICAGO, IL., home of players such as McNABB, SIMEON RICE, CHRIS CALLOWAY just to name a few; and attended ND's games in SOUTH BEND, IN. and at SOLDIER'S FIELD. I know that their is "TALENT" in the MIDWEST along with CAL, TX, FL, OH, ETC. Not as much but it's their.
The BAD is WHO can PROVE, or will PROVE, or has PROVEN that they can get ND back to that natn'l game? At least 1 more time if not ever again in ND's LIFETIME. When it really MEANS something IE CHAMPIONSHIP. Because everyweek means SOMETHING to ND that's nothing new. BUT like on saturday it meant EVERYTHING to NAVY and EVERYTHING to ND in terms of a BCS BID and ND did not show up to play ND's part.
The UGLY is ND's CURRENT coach, THOUGH a great MAN albeit, has PROVEN with his RECORD when measuring W'S AND L'S when they count MOST, that he is INEFFECTIVE! How can ND get to the BIG one if ND can't BEAT the little ONES for ND's spot at the "TABLE"?
FIGHT IRISH 4EVER!!!

There is a reason that we joined in on the Naval Academy Alma-Mater at the end of the game. There is a reason that Navy has the same uniforms that ND has. Go back to WWII when ND was an all-boys school and the students were either volunteering or being drafted into the armed forces. The Naval Academy being located in Annapolis being on the East coast and in jeopardy of attacks. Brought their mid-shipmen to South Bend to conduct their training and classes and out of gratitude for saving both institutions established in bond that will never be broken. Therefore, that is why we sing the alma mater and play this service academy every year.

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