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By: irishfanintx

irishfanintx — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:11:32 +0000

I think Kelly made it pretty clear back in his March interview on what his thoughts were on Cincinnati job. Seems to be the same thing he has said all along. http://espn.go.com/blog/bigeast/post/_/id/1222/q-a-with-cincinnati-s-brian-kelly

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By: StephenOfTroy

StephenOfTroy — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:04:48 +0000

This is not the same as the “decided schematic advantage” moment Weis gave ND’s detractors.
Weis, from what I can tell, subjectively believed his statement. He just turned out to be wrong. Maybe he didn’t factor in the difficulty of calling plays against a defense when his staff had NOT illegally videotaped its signals. But he apparently believed he was telling the truth.
This is not the same as going into a room full of your own players, lying to them telling them that you’re not leaving, then leaving, and then lying to the media about what you told that room full of your own players.
It’s a red herring to argue that Kelly, when he talked to his players, had not yet talked to Swarbrick. That makes no difference.
If you tell your players you’re not going anywhere, that isn’t the same as telling them “I don’t have an offer yet, and if I did, I’d take it.” Kelly told his players that all the talk they heard about him going somewhere was just foolishness, and led them to believe STRONGLY that he was staying in Cincy.
If I tell my wife that I love her and I will be with her forever, then on my way home from work I meet Naomi Watts and decide to run off with her, my wife won’t see the logic in my telling her “well I told you that I would stay with you before I knew what my other options were.”
Full disclosure: I’m not married. But my significant other knows that if Naomi Watts wants to talk to me about anything, I will do what Brian Kelly said and “entertain the request.”
Oh, and this post was about ND football. It may not survive censorship if Keith Arnold doesn’t like it. But it’s about ND football. And Naomi Watts.

By: StephenOfTroy

StephenOfTroy — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:32:00 +0000

Thanks for posting the correction, irishfan… I was about to fire off an “are you kidding me” comment when I read your first one.
Did you notice that Gilyard, while he may have “resolved himself to” the situation, did not back off ONE IOTA from the point that Kelly lied? That’s because Kelly did lie. And now Kelly is lying about having lied.
But, oh, wait, now I’m beating a drum or playing the dishonestliar card, right? I suppose if someone runs over my dog and I complain about it, there’s a card for that one too. Gotta move on. Just look at the recruiting work he’s doing! Lying? Quit living in the past, dude! We might WIN this year!

By: Jake

Jake — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:03:42 +0000

Very good article once again showing that people believe what they want to believe and see what they want to see. ND will always have the haters because ND is and always has been an elite school. Some people just can’t live with that notion.

By: Keith Arnold

Keith Arnold — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:01:32 +0000

That’s the same link that I posted to above in the article, which was reportedly before Kelly ever talked to Swarbrick.

By: irishfanintx

irishfanintx — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:54:07 +0000

Let me correct my earlier comment, StephenofTroy did provide a link that quoted 2 players, Asron Webster in addition to Gilyard, saying BK told them he would not leave Cincinnati.

By: irishfanintx

irishfanintx — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:41:54 +0000

Thanks for another timely and relevant article Keith. It seems that there has not been a lack of “anonymous message-board posters”, many of them ND fans, who have been willing to attack Kelly’s character and call him a liar. I have asked several times for a link to a story, other than the initial interview with Gilyard, that would support this position but have yet to see any. I am also glad to hear from Kelly on the matter and believe him when he says he handled the situation “in a manner that was up front and honest.”

By: jan

jan — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:08:18 +0000

Agreed….but let’s be realistic – all bowl games (with possibly the exception of the ONE championship bowl game) are used by coaching staffs to get early practice for next year’s season. Knowing which players will be available, which coaches, etc. they use the practice time to prepare for the upcoming season, get more visibility to targeted recruits, and maybe play more for “fun” than any other game all season. It makes more sense to have next year’s coach running the show.
I’m glad Cincy will have their new head coach in place in time for their bowl game. It sounds like like Mardy Gilyard (and other Cincy fans as well) are resolved to this as well.

By: Brendan

Brendan — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:53:15 +0000

What I find to be quite humorous is that Cincy fans have been screaming about how we stole their coach before the bowl game. How did they get Kelly in the first place? By taking him from Central Michigan before their bowl game… How did they get their new head coach Butch Jones? By taking him from Central Michigan before their bowl game… If any fanbase should be enraged it should be the Chippewa’s, Cincy keeps taking their coaches before bowl games!