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Where'd Notre Dame's national championships go?

Jan 8, 2010, 1:00 PM EDT

Leave it to ESPN to get under the skin of Notre Dame fans even when they weren’t playing or firing a head coach.

Last night, ESPN took the time to talk about most the most national championships for college football programs. I’ll let at Her Loyal Sons take it from there.

I happened to notice a fun new graphic that ESPN was touting every
spare moment it could find. That graphic depicted a listing of
collegiate football programs with “the most national titles since major
polling began.” It listed Alabama and Notre Dame as tied with 8,
effectively robbing Notre Dame of 3 of its consensus national
championships. Effectively, ESPN, for whatever reason (a reason I’m
sure is in line with some MBA’s or group of MBA’s strategy for ESPN and
their relationship with the SEC), has revised history, and thanks to a
huge lie media distribution capacity coupled with the
fallow intellectual capacity of the greater portion of the nation’s
population, it seems likely that it’s only a matter of time before it
becomes “common knowledge” that ND holds only 8 national championships.

Whatever ESPN is trying to accomplish here, there’s little doubt
that their intent is no less duplicitous than Urban Meyer’s average
thought. Notre Dame, despite internal and external forces and
influence, continues to refuse to “get in line” and join a conference
and they continue to remain in a relationship with NBC. Thus ESPN, the
“journalistic entity” that covers the sporting world – a world that is
as much about business as it is about some ethereal notions of fandom
and entertainment – has probably at best identified Notre Dame as
competition and at worst identified Notre Dame as an enemy. So long as
Notre Dame refuses to cooperate on a business level with ESPN, ESPN
would rather Notre Dame be seen as a Vanderbilt or Duke in the college
football realm.

There’s not much more to be said about this. It’s outrageous. It’s
irresponsible. And it’s further indication that ESPN is little more
than TMZ plus flashier intro screens and less journalistic integrity.

I have a feeling this is graphic is more because Alabama claims to have 13 national championships, like the one in 1930 where Park H. Davis, a former player and coach selected them co-champions with the Irish, who were named the National Champs by the five other major polls of the era, yet Alabama recognizes themselves as that season’s National Champ. Fuzzy math by the Tide, and most likely the case for ESPN’s unwillingness to acknowledge that football existed before the Associated Press started their poll, which is a pretty ridiculous decision by ESPN, although pretty consistent for a network that wasted months trying to decide “who’s NOW.”

You’ll rarely hear me side with the WWL, and I think that their journalistic integrity stinks sometimes, but I think this change is more because Alabama fans are out of control in their quest for claiming titles from years past as opposed to simply trying to cheat the Irish out of the Knute Rockne era.

  1. JR - Jan 8, 2010 at 3:54 PM

    It’s not hard to understand. Since the poll system began Alabama has eight national titles (according to the Associated press poll) and so does Notre Dame. It’s not complicated.

  2. Jim Settle - Jan 8, 2010 at 4:01 PM

    I live in Alabama and I hear it all the time. I always ask them, ” how can you claim 1966 and 1973, when they were ranked 3rd in 66 and also, how can you claim 73 after the Irish beat you in the Sugar bowl”. The way it seems to me, if anyone from any newspaper or polling system gave Bama 1 vote, they claimed it. SAD

  3. JR - Jan 8, 2010 at 4:07 PM

    Stewart Mandel is exactly right, Notre Dame is no different from Northwestern and Stanford. The only difference is Notre Dame gets all of their mediocre football games on TV while schools like Northwestern, Stanford, Vanderbilt and Duke never get on TV. Unless they curve the academic standards (like they did under Holtz) Notre Dame will continue to be mediocre. IF NOTRE DAME WANTS TO BE THE IVY LEAGUE OF THE MIDWEST THEN FINE. BUT THEY DON’T NEED TO BE ON TV EVERY WEEK.Good luck on the coaching search in 2015.I assume since Kelly is white and catholic (although a phony catholic) he will get five years.

  4. jtk - Jan 8, 2010 at 4:15 PM

    If you look at the Tide publicity and stuff they sell, they claim a National Championship in 1973—-presumably they claimed that crown before the Sugar Bowl game played on New Year’s Eve in ’73. They seem to forget Clements to Weber, touchdown Aw-rish, final score ND 24, Tide 23. The ND ’73 National Championship team was undefeated, untied, scored an average of 35 points per game and gave up 5 points per game and after defeating Alabama for the National Championship we sit and hear that the Tide won it all in ’73?? Don’t think so!!!

  5. Jake - Jan 8, 2010 at 5:01 PM

    Surly you can’t be serious.
    Northwestern’s claim to fame is a 1948 Rose Bowl victory.
    Vanderbilt’s last bowl was 1n 1983. A loss.
    Duke.. Well
    Stanford was National Champions in 1926.
    To even attempt to make a comparison between these football programs and Notre Dame is worse than silly, it’s downright stupid.
    Playing the white catholic card simply shows your ignorance.
    The “Hate Notre Dame” blog is down the block, first door on the “right”.

  6. TLNDMA - Jan 8, 2010 at 6:12 PM

    Jake, you’re going to have to point, that left-right thing is going to confuse JR.

  7. ugetwutuask4 - Jan 8, 2010 at 6:33 PM

    Yeah that’s right and please exit politely following Meyer, Mangino, Leach, and Carroll on the way out. Admit it, the only things NWESTERN, STANFORD, and DUKE have in common with ND is academics and doing things the RIGHT WAY! Why switch over to a network that glorifies these top programs that do things the wrong way? I’d much rather lose to NAVY on NBC and not worry about our kid’s:
    1.Trying to rob gas station’s.
    2.Getting caught sleeping drunk at a green light.
    3.Driving around in Land Rover’s.
    4.Players being paid to go to certain schools while being hosted around campus by beauty vixens.
    While school’s in the SEC sell their soul’s to coaches like Callipari just to be back at the mountain top.

  8. irishfanintx - Jan 8, 2010 at 6:44 PM

    ” IF NOTRE DAME WANTS TO BE THE IVY LEAGUE OF THE MIDWEST THEN FINE. BUT THEY DON’T NEED TO BE ON TV EVERY WEEK.” I guess for some colleges that would be like being an Ivy League school if you recruit kids who you expect to pass the course work and graduate.
    “Notre Dame will continue to be mediocre”
    11 consensus National Championships
    2nd highest winning percentage and the 3rd most wins in NCAA History
    7 Heisman Trophy winners
    5-1 record against Alabama
    .722% of wins vs. SEC
    Medicrity at its finest!

  9. Jennifer - Jan 8, 2010 at 9:24 PM

    Irishfanintx: VERY (droll) and well said!

  10. Jan - Jan 8, 2010 at 10:49 PM

    Welcome back SOT for 2010, I see you’ll be using JR as your name this year. If you want your team to appear on TV with additional frequency, build a brand and fan following that produces TV ratings. If you don’t want to watch ND on TV, switch the channel…fortunately many people DO watch ND and the coverage continues. It’s not much more complicated than that. Stop your whining.

  11. Rob - Jan 8, 2010 at 11:18 PM

  12. Jake - Jan 9, 2010 at 8:06 AM

    Gotta say man that was pretty funny!

  13. grandpashyena - Jan 9, 2010 at 10:12 AM

    Funny stuff

  14. Jan - Jan 9, 2010 at 10:57 AM

    very, very funny…thanks for posting this

  15. StephenOfTroy - Jan 9, 2010 at 9:12 PM

    Sorry Team Mom, I’m not JR. I guess, to you, we all look alike.
    I did notice some deja vu all over again (nods to Yogi) with the points JR made. I don’t think the “white catholic” [sic] thing was called for, but nor do I think it’s beyond the pale to wonder, as I did way back when I first commented here, why Ty Willingham got canned before his contract expired while a white guy with a worse record got an extension after only one year.
    Notre Dame IS different from Stanford and Northwestern. Notre Dame has a storied football HISTORY experience. Other than that, yeah, they all pretty much have mediocre football PRESENT-DAY experiences.
    Oh, and the weather is a whole lot better in Palo Alto than it is in South Bend. Otherwise, yeah, the comparison is apt. Let’s not lose sight of that in the sea of criticism JR will face for daring to notice the color of a Notre Dame coach’s skin.

  16. StephenOfTroy - Jan 9, 2010 at 10:43 PM

    Oh, and Rob, my apologies for not chiming in to thank you for posting that Hitler spoof. Good stuff. “Why work on the basics when we’ve got an NFL playbook” is pretty much the best line from it, IMO. Quite a few of us were ripping Weis for not fixing that disconnect.
    Although I have to say I also liked the part about how Hitler should have held a sign over his head that said “delusional ND fanboy” after the first SC game. To quote Homer Simpson, “it’s funny cause it’s true!”
    Great link!

  17. Jake - Jan 10, 2010 at 7:59 AM

    “Dare to notice”? Then could we also dare to notice Pete was white? I would also venture to guess the next one will be as well. All those good folks from La Jolla’s (one of the wealthiest areas in the state) private prep schools would choke on their raspberry scones if they dared otherwise.
    Maybe they will follow the “Eddie Robinson” rule (suggested) and do a sham interview but the results will be predictable.
    I think it was Jan who mentioned that Ty Willingham was available so you have a chance to right a great injustice. You up for that Big Guy? Just askin’.

  18. Jan - Jan 10, 2010 at 11:42 AM

    Maybe with the help of SOT, Ty could get O.J. to become a running backs coach or Graduate Asst for USC….

  19. TLNDMA - Jan 10, 2010 at 3:52 PM

    The absurdity of the people playing the Willingham race card is, ND was the school that hired him. It would seem to me the dozen or so schools that have actually hired a minority head coach, should be the last to be criticized.

  20. ugetwutuask4 - Jan 10, 2010 at 5:43 PM

    It’s sad that these FAN-A-TICS are going back and forth about adloph hitler just because one is about to lose a loser of a coach who won’t win 1 meaningful game ever in his life in the NFL and would not be meaningful in the college landscape were it not for MONEY or the hollywood limelight. These uf/trojan/bama’s have sour grapes over the winningest/most Natn’l Champnshp’s having program in NCAA history. Ask ya’ll grand daddy’s if you don’t believe me. But carroll shall be gone because he thinks he’s gonna win with the Seahawks and Urb’s done after his top ranked recruitin’ class is gone and transferred once they find out he’s lyin’ to them tellin’ them he’ll be there to coach his team for the start of the 2011 season. And bama’s we’ll do one Natn’l Champnshp better next year! Peace. GO IRISH!!!

  21. JRC - Jan 10, 2010 at 7:05 PM

    I have no idea what you just wrote about. I’m kinda just guessing here in replying but the video clip was just plain funny. It had no meaning other than that. Best lighten up on what your smokin’ my man. I also have no idea what a uf/trojan/bama’s is nor do I understand the “Hollywood limelight” reference.
    Oh yes, please take a crash course in basic sentence structure ya’ll.

  22. willmose - Jan 10, 2010 at 9:03 PM

    I believe that Yale has most national championship in college football at 18.

  23. ugetwutuask4 - Jan 10, 2010 at 11:57 PM

    Basically what I’m saying is that ND did not get rid of Ty Willingham because he is black and that these topics have nothing to do with Adolph Hitler as stated by other people who are posting in this blog. And in referance to Carroll what I’m saying is that he lucked out with the USC job and winning the championships he did by paying recruits to go to SC and benefiting from the attraction of the hollywood limelight which kids now a days like to be in. USC was a dump before he got there and it will be that when he leaves there. Carroll built a castle of sand instead out of stone and that’s why it will get washed away by the NCAA. That’s why he’s leaving after the a** whippings handed out by Oregon, Stanford, Oregon State. Which makes him a coward and that along with his previouse record in the NFL shows he’ll be a loser AGAIN! As for alabama they are full of it too because they are so brash to beleive that they have more Natin’l Titles than ND and a better coach in BEAR BRYANT because ESPN says so. P.S. I’m smoking a nice fat cuban stuffed with some of CALI’S finest as you should. Watching replays of Golden Tate outplaying a soft USC secondary by himself.

  24. Jake - Jan 11, 2010 at 2:59 PM

    Again your missing the point. No one is discussing Hitler beyond a very funny video clip (see post 11).
    As for Pete Carrol, I believe he’s leaving primarily for the ton of jack the Seahawks are offering. Whether he wins or looses we will have to see. He went 33-31 i his previous 4 seasons with the NFL. It’s not real great but not a complete disaster as you suggested.
    College coaches opting for the bigs generally are not successful as it is a completely different game. Of the last six that tried the transition they went 108-172 and returned to college ball. However, for that kind of money he can take the chance and if it doesn’t work can return to the college game. There would be plenty of big name schools who would welcome him.
    Oh and I believe Bear Bryant has not only left Alabama but this life as well.

  25. grandpashyena - Jan 14, 2010 at 4:24 PM

    I wanna list of paper national championships. Please supply, robertg.

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