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With redshirt off, intrigue surrounds Golson

Feb 16, 2012, 5:23 PM EDT

Everett Golson

Just about every Irish fan wondered what the quarterbacks not on the field could do for the Irish last season. With the depth chart thrown into disarray after two quarters of football, a chorus of support erupted from all corners of ND nation, with calls for Rees, Crist, Hendrix and Golson heard amongst the shouting. With Crist graduated and set to play out his eligibility under former coach Charlie Weis at Kansas, and blue-chip quarterback Gunner Kiel brought in at the semester to replace him, four quarterbacks — each with a distinctly different flavor — will battle for another job that’s completely up in the air.

This time, however, Everett Golson will be in the mix.

Golson in many ways is the wild card in the competition. Gifted with a skill-set that sparkled during a record-setting prep career in South Carolina, Golson’s raw talent was on display during last year’s spring game, where he and Andrew Hendrix split time after cameos by Rees and Crist. The freshman showed elusiveness, a live arm, and a bewilderment that you’d expect from a early-enrollee freshman that should’ve been playing point guard for his high school basketball team, having some ball security problems but also making some impressive throws.

Now entering his second spring practice and his first shot at the starting quarterback job, Golson is legitimately one of the most intriguing stories in college football. Just ask friend-of-the-program Bruce Feldman, who said as much this week. In his weekly Top 10 list, Feldman listed Golson as the No. 1 most intriguing redshirt freshman in the country.

Here’s his rationale:

1, Everett Golson, Notre Dame, QB: Brian Kelly’s biggest headache in 2011 was due to shaky quarterback play. ND had some very capable weapons in Michael Floyd, Tyler Eifert and Cierre Wood, but the Irish were inept in the Red Zone and prone to momentum-crushing mistakes at the worst possible times. Tommy Rees started most of the season at QB and is back. So is Andrew Hendrix, a more mobile option with a stronger arm. Touted freshman Gunner Kiel is already on campus, but don’t underestimate Golson, a 5-11, 185-pounder from South Carolina. When we had Kelly on our Signing Day Central show a few weeks ago and the Notre Dame coach gushed when I asked him about Golson. You heard a completely different vibe from Kelly just as he started to describe the young QB who had led his high school to state championships in both football and basketball. While Golson does not have prototype size, he has a quick release, a strong arm and wonderful footwork. He also apparently has that presence about him that coaches love.

It’s doubtful any Irish fans have forgotten Golson, which might actually explain the somewhat muted enthusiasm that came from Gunner Kiel’s commitment, usually a “landed on the moon” type achievement in college recruiting. Sure, it’s hard to get too excited about prep highlights supplied by YouTube. But the addition of Chuck Martin as offensive coordinator, teamed with the move of Tony Alford to a hybrid coaching position working with both running backs and slot receivers, and you can’t help but feel like the stars are aligning for Golson, if only he can take advantage.

Upping Feldman’s cred, from his post at ESPN last spring, he pegged Louis Nix among his top ten redshirt freshmen, and I think it’s fair to say that Nix lived up to the billing. (Nix checked in at No. 7.) If Golson manages to earn the headline Feldman bestowed on him, needless to say Irish fans will be happy.

As we see spring practice in the horizon, it reminds me of the old Chinese proverb, “May you live in interesting times.” With four quarterbacks likely capable of being a starting quarterback at Notre Dame, we may have already surpassed interesting.

  1. don74 - Feb 16, 2012 at 5:44 PM

    Glad you posted this. I was reading it and replied to the previous post for Nude’s sake. He’s been beating the Golson drum for a while. Maybe he can put TR in the rearview mirror and enjoy the view from the windshield. We are heading in the right direction.

    • gtizzo - Feb 16, 2012 at 6:36 PM

      Don’t put Tommy in the rearview mirror just yet…and not until the first game is over. Should any trouble arise next season expect Brain Kelly to tell Rees to warm up and get in there. He is a solid number 2, and could easily be asked to save ND’s butt again.

      • nudeman - Feb 16, 2012 at 8:51 PM

        Uh … put Tommy in the rear view mirror. I think it’s time.

      • runners00 - Feb 17, 2012 at 4:20 PM

        LOL. I needed that.

        I think we can put Mr. Turnover on the back burner. If it’s not Golson or the Cincinnati kid or Gunnar, perhaps we can talk Tommy. But he’s not big enough. I mean to say that his hands are not big enough, which is why he fumbles at this leve — and he’s too willing to throw INTs at key moments. It’s just — no.

        For the board’s information: I just read the scariest article on Randy Edsall (of UConn “fame”). He’s at Maryland now (temperarily). You know, 2-10 Maryland. This is the guy we almost picked up instead of Coach Kelly. The whole thing, I find it nauseating — that the administration would consider the guy. Against teams in the top 25, UConn under Edsall was 1-16. Against teams that finished in the top 25, UConn under Edsall never won. In nine years.

        Kelly better be the guy.

      • bernhtp - Feb 17, 2012 at 5:29 PM

        The problem is that even if Tommy were the second best QB, it would be hard to make him the backup. That’s because the Tommy’s playbook is different – no read option, no QB draw, no lateral option, no rollouts, no patterns requiring deep/hard throws – and thus different prep. The other three have the legs and arms to run the full offense with only slightly different nuances.

    • georgegollnick - Feb 17, 2012 at 6:17 PM

      I believe Golson, will come up as #1 QB but will Gunnar, stay 4 years on the bench??

      • georgegollnick - Feb 20, 2012 at 2:10 PM

        I agree with this, if Golson, or Hendrix comes out flying, will Kiel stay at NOTRE DAME??

  2. dickasman - Feb 16, 2012 at 5:57 PM

    QUALITY over QUANTITY. Hell, I think even my local semi pro football league has 4 QB’s battling for 1 QB spot.

    I am excited to see what EG can do for our university not what the university can do for EG. I don’t care who starts. Please be capable is all I ask.

  3. bernhtp - Feb 16, 2012 at 6:22 PM

    I hope that one of them (Hendrix, Golson or Kiel) emerges as the clear winner of the competition in the spring and is developed as the starter throughout the summer. This is important.

    I didn’t list Rees for several reasons. First, we’ve seen a lot from Tommy where the vast majority of his good moments were against mediocre defenses and he was pretty dismal against the really good ones (USC, Stanford, FSU). We also didn’t see progression throughout the season. He kept on making poor decisions, didn’t get any faster and couldn’t throw any harder. Defenses adjusted to his limitations and it just got worse. Last but not least, because Hendrix, Golson and Kiel can all run and throw, they can run the same offense. Rees is different and thus requires a somewhat different playbook.

    • goirish08 - Feb 18, 2012 at 12:17 PM

      Well said bernhtp! We’ve all seen the limitations of Tommy. Enough is enough, throw Tommy’s starting record out the window BK. It’s getting tiresome!

  4. irish4006 - Feb 16, 2012 at 7:05 PM

    Did someone just say, “…four quarterbacks likely capable of bla bla bla”? I for one, will not be watching ND football if Tommy starts. I am pretty sure he is incapable of getting any better than what we saw so far, and what he is today is not a Div-1 quarterback.

    I believe in Kelly and any coach worth his salt should not have to play TR in his 3rd year of coaching. If there was a quarterback drought in the country, a coach should be able to manufacture one out of thin air when he has had 3 years to do so. Golson may just be the answer we are looking for. If not, throw in Hendrix, Gunner, whoever and give them time to grow into a good player and not have one mediocre game after another with TR starting at qb.

    • nudeman - Feb 16, 2012 at 8:59 PM

      I remember how much grief I took here going back to the 1st or 2nd game in 2011.
      I was called a “Rees hater”, a “Rees basher”, an a**hole, etc etc
      Now all I read are people saying what was so obvious to me 12 months ago:

      Tommy can NOT play at this level.

      (yes, he’s a nice guy, loves animals, good student, blah blah)
      But all I heard was “Tommy is 8-0 as a starter”.

      Well Tommy isn’t 8-0 anymore. And Dayne’s in Kansas, Toto.

      THE ERA OF EVERETT HAS BEGUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      THE ERA OF EVERETT
      (COPYRIGHT, nudeman, 2012)

      • don74 - Feb 16, 2012 at 9:44 PM

        Rearview mirror Nude, rearview mirror. No TR mentions for you until BK names him starter. Maybe it’s something to give up for lent. At any rate I like the era of everett….I hope it is as successful as the era of ara.

      • andy44teg - Feb 16, 2012 at 10:25 PM

        Sorry Nude..gotta disagree w/ ya here….i prefer “THE ERA OF GOLSON” (copyright andy44teg 2012) much better. Sounds more like my quarterback and less like my grandpa…just sayin’…BTW…i think you’re being a lil over-dramatic in reference to the tyrade you went on last Sept. about TR…the response to your Rees hating wasn’t THAT bad, was it?? HAHA..JK…it was pretty bad and i think we all owe you somewhat of a half-hearted, half-assed, tounge firmly planted in cheek apology…so…i’m sorry…(but not THAT sorry)

      • gtizzo - Feb 16, 2012 at 10:44 PM

        All those things your were called then still apply first of all. Next I would be prefer “The Era of QB who doesn’t turn the ball over”.

      • irish4006 - Feb 16, 2012 at 11:15 PM

        I was never one of them, Nude. I couldn’t care less for TR’s record and took a lot of flak for criticizing those “perfect pass” and “pretty good qb” comments week after week… Again, a good kid, loves animal, posts under trbowman name and whatnot, if he is the quarterback in 2012; we didn’t hire the right man to be the head coach. It doesn’t matter how much I wanted Kelly to stick with Crist, Crist didn’t deliver as promised and Kelly, as a head coach felt he couldn’t trust Crist to pull through in critical situations. Which is the reason why he made TR a starter, not because he is in love with him. Even when he said. “look at the kid’s record, he is 8-1 as a starter…”, it sounded more like he was trying to give him a confidence boost more than anything else.

      • bb90grad - Feb 17, 2012 at 1:56 PM

        You have earned the right to gloat (as the thumbs up/down ratio indicates).

        I think the last mobile quarterback from South Carolina turned out okay…

      • ndfaithful - Feb 18, 2012 at 9:40 AM

        I’ve been thinking of it as the “Golson Age” of ND Football. I hope the kid lights it up and gives us something to jump out of our chairs for again this year.

  5. baccleary - Feb 16, 2012 at 7:20 PM

    Sounds good. Golson was from South Carolina though i believe.

    Im looking fwd to seeing him or Hendrix starting in Dublin.

    • nudeman - Feb 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

      It won’t be Hendrix
      Sorry

      • bernhtp - Feb 16, 2012 at 10:00 PM

        It might be. He obviously still had a lot to learn, but he made throws and lots of runs in his roughly three quarters of work to warrant a serious look.

  6. trbowman - Feb 16, 2012 at 8:46 PM

    Does this guy compare to Russell Wilson?

  7. cpfirish - Feb 16, 2012 at 8:59 PM

    Yes its time to put Tommy in the rear view!! Nothing against tommy but we want ND in a bcs game!!

  8. cpfirish - Feb 16, 2012 at 9:16 PM

    Golson will prove himself this spring and next fall! It wont be Hendricks.

  9. kgirish - Feb 16, 2012 at 9:41 PM

    Al Davis:”Just win baby”
    I don’t care who starts….as Irish fans…just win! Tommy can start all 12 games if we win.

    • ndgoldandblue - Feb 16, 2012 at 9:56 PM

      Good point. Tommy could turn into Greg McElroy, the ultimate game manager, for all I care. If he does what McElroy did and leads Notre Dame to a national championship, the guys could start every game of his college career. If any one of these guys leads Notre Dame to a national championship, I would be over-the-top ecstatic. I mean, the teams I hate–the Yankees, the Spurs, the Packers, the Giants (with the exception of Justin Tuck, of course), the Heat, and the Red Wings–could all take turns winning championships for the next 60 years for all I care as long as the Irish win one, ONE national championship before my time on this earth is done. Will it happen? I don’t know guys…is there anyone alive the last time the Cubs won a World Series?

      • runners00 - Feb 17, 2012 at 4:40 PM

        He won’t, though. This is the problem with Kelly and with a lot of TR supporters (Nude and others, I am a recovering TR supporter). The argument goes that he is somehow a good “manager” and that he makes good “decisions” even if he lacks the natural ability.

        At this level, managers suck. I want players. I want a quarterback who can take a sack and not fumble the ball. Better yet, I want a quarterback who can scramble out of the possible sack and get the ball downfield. I can’t really recall a long completion in 2011. I can recall many bad interceptions.

        So annoying. He has poise — Rees — but he makes decisions that at the time don’t seem that bad but because lacks the raw talent (a rifle of an arm, real quick footspeed) the decisions in key moments wind up costing us the game (such as in the FSU game). The athletes on the other side of the ball are too quick and they make INTs look too easy.

      • nudeman - Feb 17, 2012 at 4:50 PM

        I will (attempt to) refrain from hammering Tommy any further since it appears he has no supporters left here.

        As a native Chicagoan (like Rees), I actually feel a little bad for the guy and hope his last couple years at ND don’t turn out to be painful. In a perfect world, maybe at some point he’ll get a chance to lead a 4th qtr comeback and will succeed.

        As far as the comparison to McElroy, I see very little in the way of similarities.

        Arm, mobility, decision making … not even close. McElroy all the way.

      • papadec - Feb 18, 2012 at 12:24 AM

        ndgold&blue – you sound like a Red Sox fan – and they finally got their Championships. Yankees will probably win another WS before ND wins another NC. But, that could be only by a matter of months. I think you’ll see at least one more Irish NC in your lifetime. Regarding your last question – I doubt it.

    • nudeman - Feb 18, 2012 at 6:41 PM

      Tommy starts even one game and this board will explode

  10. jerseyshorendfan1 - Feb 16, 2012 at 10:56 PM

    “Just about every Irish fan wondered what the quarterbacks be on the field could do for the Irish last season.”

    Keith…..this is your topic sentence? I had no idea wtf you were trying to say. In any case, I would love to see Golson start this fall, yet I don’t know why. We haven’t seen much of him, only limited time in the 2011 Spring Game. I did like what I saw then, however. I’m hoping for a D Rob-esque kind of presence on the field. Will he make mistakes? Absolutely. I’m not so ready to anoint him as the second coming yet as some people are (read: Nudeman). But even with the mistakes, does he have the ability to change the course of the game with one play? I think that he does. In reality though, do you think the coaches even know who starts in the opener at this point in time? As the song goes,”It’s a Long Way to Tipperary,” or in this case Dublin. I think you can make a plausible argument for starting any of the 4, even Kiel, or even Tommy, but I don’t think anybody knows for sure and to say otherwise is purely speculative at this point. Makes for a good parlor game though and it is certainly more entertaining than reading about dickasman wanting to make a booty call to some dude named Andy. That is just gross.

    • andy44teg - Feb 16, 2012 at 11:39 PM

      Yeah..i thought so, too..what a perv..

    • Keith Arnold - Feb 17, 2012 at 1:40 PM

      Wow. That was supposed to be NOT… and got changed when I put the italics in. Sorry about that — it certainly doesn’t make sense. Also, realized I had North Carolina for Golson’s home state, instead of SC. He was going to play hoops and QB at NC that’s why that got mixed up.

      Otherwise, carry on…

  11. jimbasil - Feb 17, 2012 at 12:46 AM

    “No. 1 most intriguing” is the phrase, not “likely to be great success”. Sure I’m excited at the prospects of someone other than TR at QB, but EG hasn’t had the opporunity to play so I still say AH.

    It’s odd how the grass is greener… expression is apropos for this board. Nudeman and other shouting to the hill tops EG is the second coming. Crist was the second coming for most and then not.

    Mostly, as long as Rees is a back up to the eventual starter and No. 2 QB I’ll be much happier, but I still say, we haven’t seen all of what Hendrix can do. Hendrix is 4 to 5 inches taller and 40lbs or more heavier than EG with some game experience. EG would be QBing behind a line that is around 6’5″ and at barely 5’11″ it will be a struggle for him to see down field and that’s not to mention his 179lb body taking a hit from 240lb defensive ends several times a game. He may be a decent runner, but I cannot see him taking tons of hits and surviving so his running game will be limited.

    • irish4006 - Feb 17, 2012 at 1:10 AM

      I agree with pretty much all you said jimbasil, except that Hendrix should start because of his height, weight and game experience. They are all unproven at this point. What we have seen so far of Hendrix wasn’t, to me at least, enough to declare him a winner. We can just hope that one guy emerges as a clear no. 1, by the time we are taking field in Dublin.

      What I feel that most people are trying to say is that it’s likely that no. 1 will be Golson, I don’t think they are calling it a second coming. Speculation, absolutely… well, maybe more like an educated guess.

      • jimbasil - Feb 17, 2012 at 2:01 AM

        When the poster posts THE ERA OF EVERETT HAS BEGUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        THE ERA OF EVERETT

        one has to believe they’re calling for Golson. Some are posting his HS stats as what his stats will be in the College game. So, I’m not all that far off.

        I’m not posting AH will be the starter because of his size rather it is Golson’s size that could be his deterrent giving AH the leg up, so to speak, as the starter seeing AH also has game experience. As per Kelly mid season last year said AH and EG were fairly even as far as ability so, I’ve got to believe AH has the edge.

      • dmac4real - Feb 17, 2012 at 11:47 AM

        Jimbasil: I viewed Kelly’s comments as more of that Golson and Hendrix were at the same point in learning the system and such. If they were at the same leve there, and Hendrix had a season on Golson, that has to put Golson ahead. In this article Feldman talked about how Kelly gushed about Golson, and was just complementary about everyone else. Personally, I think the evidence points towards Golson. or it could be because he highlights (Spring and HS) made my jaw drop.

  12. herringbonesports - Feb 17, 2012 at 2:48 AM

    Boy oh boy is the offseason hype machine revving into overdrive. I think this is the first of many Golson-related posts that Keith will be sure to crank out.

    I’m definitely of the belief that Golson posseses a skill set that could trump the rest of the field, but if he doesn’t get the playbook or turns the ball over it won’t matter.

    It DOES blow my mind that in 2012 someone could possibly think that a QB’s height is a clear determining factor as to whether or not he could be a succesful college signal caller. The guy who’s been crushing NFL records as a POCKET PASSER is a 5’10 Drew Brees and I can assure you his OL doesn’t average 5’9”. You’re also using his high school weight when he could take the field in September after 20 months in a collegiate weight program so .. yeah.

    Money’s on Golson, who I also think is the only guy who could get 10 wins in 2012. I’m ready for spring ball fellas.

    Go.Irish.

  13. nudeman - Feb 17, 2012 at 5:05 AM

    ALL: Here’s the deal on Everett’s lack of height and why it won’t be an issue.
    And I’m sorry but it requires a Tommy Rees reference, for comparison sake.

    If you look at their throwing motions, Rees releases the ball “low” and close to his shoulder pads. It was one of the first things I noticed about him in 2010. By itself that’s not bad, but it contributes to the lack of zip and passes getting batted down.
    Lower release point = red meat for 6’5″ DLs.

    Golson on the other hand has a more classic release: Elbow up above shoulder level, and the ball coming out above his helmet. He throws like he’s 6’2″. Tommy throws like he’s 5’11″.

    On top of that bit of technical analysis, Golson can get outside the pocket and throw on the run, and they can move the pocket for him. Not saying he’ll NEVER get a pass blocked, but I don’t think it’s the problem some make it out to be.

    Hendrix by the way has some issues here as well. Long, baseball type motion and jerks his head as he throws. I think this is something that will hurt him.

    • jimbasil - Feb 17, 2012 at 7:10 AM

      nudeman: Here’s the deal on Everett’s height – He’s 5’11″ (barely)

      In comparison to Rees’ physical qualities, EG remains 3″ shorter than Rees and the ND OLine is somewhere in the neighborhood of 6’5″, a full half foot or more in height above EG’s. Though release point of the ball when throwing is an important issue (Rees has his passes blocked far, far too often) even more of an issue is seeing beyond your OLine teammates to your teammates down field (getting the ball to Toma or other short Receivers may also be an issue). EG will be rolling out and dropping back big time just to be able to see the field. The game is much, much quicker/faster/players-bigger than those in HS plus they are also far more talented and better coached.

      If you’re going to make a comparison in height/size for a QB it may be better for you to use Doug Fluite. He was a feared QB and his height was barely whatever his official claim was, he was also a Heisman Trophy winner.

      Sure, I’d have to believe Golson’s height/size won’t be as much an issue as it would seem but you have zero knowledge to the contrary seeing he’s not played a down in college football and that there are reasons why QB’s are generally not short and light in weight in the DivI game.

      It’s super you are enthusiastic (intrigued) about one of ND’s players, it’s as it should be, but C’mon with the BS know-it-all, wave-your- finger rhetoric; so how about, please refrain from this type of equivalency in the future. When Sept. 23 comes around, then you can give us a, “see, I told ya” post, or not.

      • nudeman - Feb 17, 2012 at 11:19 AM

        jimbasil
        Spare me.
        There’s no finger waving attitude here.
        If you took it that way, perhaps you should look more closely at YOU.

        What I said about the throwing mechanics are visible to everyone’s naked eye.
        TR has a low release. Golson appears to have a more classic high release.
        Both matter.

        TR is a pocket passer and can’t move to avoid the 6’5″ DLs.
        Golson can.

        Also, Golson lists at 185 lbs on the 2011 roster. By September 2012 he’ll be at or near 200 lbs and much stronger than what we’ve seen on YouTube from HS.

        Listen son, it’s offseason. All we can do is gab about this stuff.
        Relax.
        It’s a football blog. I will refrain from nothing.

      • bernhtp - Feb 17, 2012 at 11:34 AM

        There are innumerable qualities that matter in QB performance. While Everett has an amazing HS resume, it is not fully clear how that translates to top-tier college football. Height-size are only some of the issues that might hold him back at the next (this) level. Others include the ability to master the playbook, instantaneous football IQ at a much faster speed, physical durability, etc.

        Apparently Everett had problems with adjusting to the academic rigor of ND, which caused him to spend more than a usual amount of his focus there and likely delayed his progression in football. I hope and expect him to get up to speed in both areas. Tony Rice wasn’t a rocket scientist either.

        We can be hopeful based upon Golson’s highlight videos, but we won’t know if he is “the one” until/unless he is put on the field and succeeds. I trust BK to figure this out.

      • nudeman - Feb 17, 2012 at 11:47 AM

        bern
        Correct. We know NOTHING, as Sgt. Schultz would say
        This is all conjecture, opinion, and fan chatter, and there is nothing wrong with that.
        Don’t understand why some take it personally here

        All I’m saying is that based on what I’ve observed, Golson looks to be the most talented
        I think he could really jump start this moribound offense
        But his body of work was HS and maybe he’ll be a bust in college. We don’t know.
        I am lukewarm on Hendrix. Talented, athletic, strong, fast.
        But has made some poor decisions in limited playing time and seems to get rattled easily
        I was not impressed with his bowl game, despite having a month to get ready

        If you told me I could only keep two of the 4, I’d keep Everett and Gunner

      • jimbasil - Feb 17, 2012 at 12:53 PM

        “All I’m saying is that based on what I’ve observed, Golson looks to be the most talented
        I think he could really jump start…”

        Again, where is it you’ve seen this greatness? He has yet to play a down in College.

        It may be there, but where is it?
        Are you at the practices? Are you a sports writer who is in the confidence of Kelly?

        You make absurd statements if you’re not one who is at the practices and see his growth, his progression. And too, how terrible AH is at running the offense.

        Please instruct us all again on the throwing motion of the QB’s along with the positives and the negatives so we may all be enlightened.

      • bernhtp - Feb 17, 2012 at 12:38 PM

        Nude: I think you’re too tough on Hendrix. He had no experience with the system in HS and has had little field time (about 3-4 Qs) at ND. While the Stanford clip below shows his inexperience, it also shows his abilities. His abilities to execute the read option, QB draw, lateral option, throw on the roll and run, and long clothesline throws to Floyd weren’t seen in the first half (or ever) with Rees. I see a lot of upside in this kid, just like in Golson. I hope one of them (including Kiel) distinguishes himself and emerges from spring practice as the clear leader for the summer/fall.

      • nudeman - Feb 17, 2012 at 12:59 PM

        jimbasil
        You need more bran or something. Or maybe you’ve got a rotten hangover today

        Give it a rest. I’ve seen HS highlights; I’ve seen the Blue and Gold game
        Am I not allowed to have an opinion based on that?

        It is my OPINION that he’s the most talented, and many others here feel the same way

        Go argue with someone else. Or rearrange your sock drawer. Or watch The View

      • jimbasil - Feb 17, 2012 at 1:14 PM

        Here’s the deal:

        nude – I disagree with your assessment on AH and I have no real knowledge of Golsons talent other than to say, his HS vids look great and his spring game looked like a player playing in a scrimmage at practice who didn’t know the plays. But, when those who actually have seen these players practice, progress throughout the season, I’m gonna accept their word, including the coaches word. If you have not been part of that group who has seen a player, I tend to think opinions derived from thin air as, well, opinions derived from thin air.

        If you don’t want me to conclude your midden opinion is worthless, start basing them in reality or at least state them in a way that it isn’t in the know-it-all mode.

      • nudeman - Feb 17, 2012 at 1:23 PM

        jimbasil
        I made the comment that Golson is in my opinion the most talented
        Not just “many”, but “almost all” here agree with that
        I offered some opinion on throwing motions, and backed it up with examples
        Others here have noted the same things

        You got all sarcastic, said we were ready to put him into the HOF
        No one said that

        We just said he APPEARS to have the most talent

        Easily riled up, aren’t you?

  14. dmac4real - Feb 17, 2012 at 12:03 PM

    Heres my thing:
    Hendrix: Yea hes fast, and can whip the ball. However, his throwing motion is not attractive at all, and could get him into a lot of trouble. Its really jerky and stiff. All i can think of is the stanford game where he threw the ball right at the defender a couple times because he was trying to put to much zip on it. A lot, is being made of Golson getting hurt bc he is so light. I think that Hendrix is just as susceptible to injury directly because of his running style. Its nice that he runs AT people, but its also not the situation you want your starting QB in. Also remember Crist- dude has Great size but sadly is a china doll (Best of luck at Kansas).

    Rees: Been over him enough.

    Golson: Only weakness is hes 5’11. Hes been short his whole life, im sure he can adjust to that. Beautiful throwing motion. Quick. Good accuracy. Not sure whats not to like TBH.

    Kiel: Wasnt overly impressed of HS tape. Nor was I impressed at some of his throws at the AAA Game. Red shirt him. Give him time to learn. Has the tools and potential, just redshirt him and let him learn like Golson and Hendrix.

    To me, this leads to Golson as the “should be” started. But, im not in practice, nor do I have any knowledge close to what BK and Martin have.

    Overall, just give me a QB is going to win. If TR starts and goes 11-1, I will be ecstatic hes the starter. Just put the guy on the field whose going to help us win.

    Go Irish.

    • dmac4real - Feb 17, 2012 at 12:05 PM

      Good video also. Some really good throws…and some really bad ones.

      • nudeman - Feb 17, 2012 at 12:32 PM

        dmac
        Thanks. This was great to watch. My observations

        1. His INT wasn’t that bad; just a high throw.
        Did he have another one against Stanf that wasn’t on here? Thought he threw one right into a defender’s arms from a short distance, sort of like against FSU.

        2. Infuriating to watch this and know that BK started TR in bowl game. He is SO MUCH more dynamic. WTF was he THINKING?????

        3. Overall, better than I remember. Much better in fact.

      • jimbasil - Feb 17, 2012 at 1:01 PM

        Good stuff. He really looked like a player in need of game reps.

        Odd that I didn’t notice nudeman’s throwing complaint with Hendrix…. “Hendrix by the way has some issues here as well. Long, baseball type motion and jerks his head as he throws. I think this is something that will hurt him.”

      • andy44teg - Feb 17, 2012 at 3:28 PM

        Man..i forgot how pissed off i was at the field conditions there..thanks for reminding me!

      • turknd - Feb 17, 2012 at 7:58 PM

        Thanks for posting. A lot of comments on his throwing motion. What I see is a quick release and velocity. Yes some bad throws, but he only had 49 (?) passes for the year. Good speed running, bad field conditions and a drop or two. Not counting EG out but AH a good packge.

    • nudeman - Feb 17, 2012 at 12:14 PM

      dmac

      Agree with this 100%
      AH throwing motion is not “Tebow bad”, but it’s in the neighborhood. He gets rattled easily too. First carry against FSU, he was so nervous he fumbled without any contact near the ball (he recovered it).

      His INTs against Stanf and FSU were jaw droppingly bad.
      Threw right into double or triple coverage from about 10 yds away.

      Is it fair to judge him based on a small handful of plays? Probably not.
      But they happened and are an indication of the lack of poise, just like the 73 yard run against AF was an indication of the type of athletic skill he has.

      He just scares me a little.

      • dmac4real - Feb 17, 2012 at 2:07 PM

        The way I view hendrix: there is a lot to like, and a lot not to like. I like his athleticism and his rocket arm. I love his mobility. I do not like hes throwing motion, pocket presence (alot of sacks bc of bad pocked presence) and his poise is another worry. Only time will tell.

        (That horrible throw u were thinking of from the stanford game was the 3rd play on the video, it just didnt show the close up when it hit the guy in the face)

        Again. Just give me wins

    • nudeman - Feb 17, 2012 at 1:13 PM

      jimbasil

      Many here have commented on Hendrix’s throwing motion, not just moi

      But since you’ve apparently just started watching football in the last year or so, I’m not surprised you don’t see it.

      • jrct2450yahoo - Feb 20, 2012 at 1:19 PM

        Come on guys, do we have to get personal and/or nasty here. I don’t know anyone on this web site who qualifies as an expert on a players mechanics. If all of the Irish QB’s have the flaws listed on these posts why were they recruited and what does that say about the coaching staff? I have been following the Irish since before Ara and my biggest complaint isn’t the talent recruited but the complete lack of player development over the past twenty-five years.

  15. fnc111 - Feb 17, 2012 at 12:31 PM

    What else is new? When will we all learn? Golson hasn’t proven anything yet. I get the optimism albeit forced because what else do we have to look forward to? The rest of the qb’s are terrible. Hype machine in progress. Kelly makes me wanna vomit daily.

  16. ndfan4ever - Feb 17, 2012 at 12:48 PM

    Lets be real here. we don’t make it to a BCS game next year with any QB we have. Start a redshirt kid that hasn’t played in a year right. I hope one wins outright but either way if its not TR then your talking about an unproven player (not saying that TR is proven) going into a killer schedule not a good combination at all just saying. Some of the turnover problems last year came from poor play calling on the coaches part. Calling pass plays when we should have run and so on. We need for next year to go to a BCS game the defense will need to play much better pass defense and get turn overs and score points no matter who starts at QB. GO Irish hope for a great year always.

  17. uawlocal1136 - Feb 17, 2012 at 1:35 PM

    jimbasil,

    Word to the wise. Don’t cross Nude! He’s as thin skinned as you will ever find and will forever put you on his sh*t list if you dare to offer contradiction. You have been warned. He is the all knowing, all powerful king of ND football. And, nobody but nobody can forecast an 18 year old kid’s future like nude. Right nude? In the words of the immortal movie, Groundhog Day, Nudepube is simply the “prognosticator of prognosticators.” Unfortunately, he has become known to all of us as “Nude the Plagiarizer” and in those instances he is truly spot on.

    Buy American! Buy Union!

    • nudeman - Feb 17, 2012 at 2:11 PM

      uaw
      Greetings, little “man”. Going with the UAW tag for now, I see?
      OK, cool. I’m sure we’ll see goat soon. You guys frequently show up together. Odd how that happens.

      Listen little man, since you’ve never once posted a thing about ND football but just come here to take out your erectile dysfunction, performance anxiety and bi polar frustrations, let me attempt to understand what some of YOUR opinions are.

      Please answer the following:
      1. Who do you think the QB should be next year?
      2. What are your thoughts on BK?
      3. How many games will ND win next year?
      4. Do you think the Irish will get Neal?

      Easy, simple. Shouldn’t take you more than a couple hours to answer these questions, should you choose to do so. But we both know you won’t.

      YAW-W-WN

    • bernhtp - Feb 17, 2012 at 3:20 PM

      UAW, etc: I agree with Nude here. It’s actually about time you start discussing football or just shut up. The Nude guy fetish is weird, boorish, and possibly the subject of a future unmanly lite beer commercial.

      • nudeman - Feb 17, 2012 at 4:37 PM

        Uh oh bern
        Now you’re going to get the wrath of the goat … er, I mean UAW.

        Q: What are the chances he actually answers the football questions?

        A: If you had “a shade above zero” in the office pool, you win.

        Guy is weird.

  18. jerseyshorendfan1 - Feb 17, 2012 at 2:46 PM

    Nude…I agree with your OPINION on Golson. I hope he starts in Dublin and I hope his career takes off from there. He strikes me as a college version of Mike Vick with his arm strength and his ability to scramble. I like reading that Kelly is high on him. I guess the only drawback there is his size, not so much his ability to see down field but his durability after taking some hits. Even Vick had his share of injuries in 2011 after getting pounded by some big defenders. It would be a shame to discover that he is our answer at QB and then find out he can’t take the punishment. I hope that Longo beefs him up a little. Other than that, let’s hope he’s fast enough that the defense won’t catch him. I’ve said it before….Lou won the NC with a mobile QB and a stellar defense. We seem to have all the ingredients, now we just have to play those pesky games and find out.

    • nudeman - Feb 17, 2012 at 4:41 PM

      Good comparison. I guess Vick is only 6’0″ or something like that.

      I don’t think he’ll ever win a SB (or get his team to one) because of the incredible pounding he takes. In fact, I doubt he’ll ever again start all 16 games.

      At least Golson plays against smaller competition and only has 12 (reg season) games.

  19. don74 - Feb 17, 2012 at 5:12 PM

    All this speculation on EG and we’ve yet to explore his real talent, music. Hey, his keyboard skills will allow him to run Kelly’s up tempo offense without missing a beat. I expect him to be in harmony with his recievers and elude the oncoming rushers with his improvisational riffs. Likely he will be able to easily get into a rythm and maintain it for the game. I am hopeful Martin can orchestrate and allow the rest of us to sing off key versions of the Victory March.

    • bernhtp - Feb 17, 2012 at 5:34 PM

      Are you auditioning for Officer McCarthy’s end-of-third-quarter stadium announcement job?

      • don74 - Feb 17, 2012 at 5:50 PM

        Nah, there’s probably a long line of Indiana Staties looking for that gig. Taking it is a guaranteed speeding ticket on the Tollway.

  20. kenski72 - Feb 18, 2012 at 12:07 AM

    Just a short comment about Everett Golson. I’m an ND graduate that lives in South Carolina. I play golf with the dad of one of Steve Spurriers assistants. There is no question that Steve would love to have Golson running his offense in the next couple of years (and, they will still be pretty good without him). Some talk about his size (about the same as Montana). Some talk about the fact that he played in a lower class (3A) than some of his more highly rated peers. The fact is that in his last high school game he took his Myrtle Beach High team to a victory over a much more highly rated program (South Pointe) that just happened to have the most highly feared defensive end and the consensus number one prospect of the 2011 recruiting class (Jadeveon Clowney). And JC pretty much tore up his SEC opponents in his freshman year at (that other) USC. That being said, If EG is going to be the QB at ND anytime in the near future he will have to earn the position. I’m pulling for him – He’s Tony Rice squared and remember that Tony played at Woodruff – a 2A program here in SC. Let the competition begin.

    • jimbasil - Feb 18, 2012 at 1:29 AM

      Joe Montana = 6’2″ 210.—————- Everett Golson = 5’11″ 180 (generous size numbers)

      • bernhtp - Feb 18, 2012 at 8:23 AM

        Drew Brees at 6’0″ is a more appropriate size comparison.

        I think the competition for early season playing time will be between EG and AH.

        Golson would add a different flavor to the offense with a lot more movement, rolling pockets and lateral misdirection. I would imagine that EG’s running would be more lateral than up the middle like AH, who likes to take on linebackers and safeties shoulder-pads forward. EG doesn’t have the size to do that.

        If neither AH nor EG distinguish themselves by mid-season, I wouldn’t be surprised to see GK move quickly up the depth chart and start getting playing time.

      • jimbasil - Feb 18, 2012 at 11:00 AM

        I guess, but not really. Doug Flutie is the only real comparison I can see as far as size. Flutie was feared by all defenses. He could scramble and elude defenders extremely well and he had a very good arm, an accurate arm as well. Golson reminds me more of him. From what I’m hearing, Golson doesn’t quite match up to 5″11″. Some on this board believe EG will somehow put on 15 – 20 lbs over the winter and have the weight and muscle to take on physically the defenses in the College game. Unlikely he’ll gain more than10 and that’d be a streatch. He just doesn’t have the frame for big weight gain. But again, he’s not close to the size of Montana.

        As far as AH, sure he’ll have less problem running a play up the middle due to being 40 or more lbs heavier than EG, but I don’t think that’s his game, it’s just that there has been more available to him through the middle in his less than forty offensive plays he’s been in on.

        There really isn’t much of a sample of AH’s ability when it comes to being QB to have any accuracy in evaluating his status at being the starter for ND.

        I would say on that small sample, he’s more a threat than is Rees and I’ve liked what I see in him. But then again, I liked Rees in his first several games (save the USC game 2010). I also liked Crist in his first real chance at QB tossing a TD to Goodman.

        As far as EG, meh, nothing to go by really. If he’s the better option, I hope Kelly goes that route. If he puts EG out there because NDN or a bunch of loudmouths from the back row clamor EG, ND will again be in trouble at the QB position.

  21. ndfaithful - Feb 18, 2012 at 9:55 AM

    Ever wonder it they’ll REALLY mix things up? Why not? BK did it with the coaches…
    What if…

    Hendrix starts (big, tall, fast, arm, some experience, not TR….)
    Rees backup with experience, maybe he improves…?
    Golson start him as a receiver or anywhere. Get him on the field
    Gunner redshirts and gets ready for 2 or 3 years of awesomeness when AH is done….

    Just thinking. Not recommending… wondering.

    • nudeman - Feb 18, 2012 at 1:34 PM

      I think you get an “A” for creative thinking, but beyond that … no way.

      If rees is #2, I’d be shocked. He’s the 4th best QB and I think everyone including BK now realizes that. It’s possible he might not take a single snap this year.

      Re: Golson at receiver, I don’t think in D-I football you just take someone from another position and move them to wideout. There are highly recruited WRs who take a full redshirt year to learn the position, how to run routes,speed of the game, etc.
      Davaris Daniels and Daniel Smith come to mind.

      Besides, at 185 lbs and 5’11″, EG would be a slot guy, and they already have 14 of those.

  22. bernhtp - Feb 18, 2012 at 12:50 PM

    My bet is that Hendrix wins the competition due to his ND experience (a year more than Golson and with some game time), bigger and more durable physical presence that gives an inside running threat, high IQ (football IQ is less clear), and a cannon for an arm.

    Golson (from highlight video) appears more elusive, more of a lateral threat, better throwing on the roll/run, and maybe more accurate. His IQ does not appear to be as high as the pre-med Hendrix, though his football IQ may be better. He has far, far more HS experience than Hendrix throwing from the spread.

    The negatives on Golson are his small size and possible fragility (though he is elusive), distraction from academic issues, and what is obvious in the lead article photo above (hint: look at where and how he is holding the ball). I expect Everett to be a close #2. With that said, Everett is absolutely electric and may win the job outright.

    The dark horse in this mix is Gunner Kiel. I seriously doubt that he can learn fast enough to compete with these two guys in the spring/summer, but it’s not impossible. He wasn’t given five stars and the top QB rating for nothing.

    • nudeman - Feb 18, 2012 at 1:29 PM

      Could be AH. You make good points in his favor, especially the experience he’s had.

      Golson, one way or the other will not spend the year handling a clipboard. He’ll take plenty of snaps, whether starting or change of pace.

      My preference is still EG. Sounds electric. But if AH beats him out, so be it.

    • nudeman - Feb 18, 2012 at 1:29 PM

      Could be AH. You make good points in his favor, especially the experience he’s had.

      Golson, one way or the other will not spend the year handling a clipboard. He’ll take plenty of snaps, whether starting or change of pace.

      My preference is still EG. Sounds electric, as u say. But if AH beats him out, so be it.

  23. nudeman - Feb 18, 2012 at 1:44 PM

    I heard an interesting discussion yesterday on Irish Illustrated’s podcast.
    The question was about Chuck Martin and how the offense would be different from that of Charley Molnar. There were a few different things they cited, but the things that stuck out to me most were:

    1. Execution: Apparently the days of a QB throwing 2-3 INTs per game and keeping his job are over.
    2. Intensity: Martin is much more of an “in your face” coach who rides players hard during practice.
    3. Vertical: Last year, the longest pass play was 40 yards and Martin clearly wants to improve that

    They then went on to say that Rees’ chance of winning the job aren’t zero, but they’re not very good either. In fact they said exactly that: “It doesn’t look good for Tommy”.

    I think we all know that, but for THESE two guys (Tim Prister and Pete Sampson) to be that blunt … well … ahem … I guess it really doesn’t look good for Tommy.

    • bernhtp - Feb 18, 2012 at 3:14 PM

      I also listened to that podcast. They were optimistic about Neal coming to ND, though short of metaphysical certainty.

      • nudeman - Feb 18, 2012 at 6:37 PM

        Right, a confidence factor of about 50.1%.
        If one wants to be optimistic, one could say:
        1. That’s better than 49%
        2. Pete Sampson is usually conservative on these things. It is possible, though not certain, that he knows more than he’s letting on. Possible.

  24. jerseyshorendfan1 - Feb 18, 2012 at 9:10 PM

    To ndfaithful re your 9:55 am post…………. I think Rees either puts on his red hat or goes the way of LoVecchio. Transfer prob not in the cards since he’s well on his way to a degree and prob doesn’t harbor any illusions about playing on Sunday anyway. Your idea about mixing things up was intriguing since I seem to recall either Battle or Holiday being moved to wideout from QB. I think this could easily be accomplished without such a big learning curve for Golson since, as a QB, you have to know the routes guys are running like the back of your hand anyway. Interesting idea to get him on the field and I think we need to see the ball in his hands, since he is apparently a game changer.

    • nudeman - Feb 19, 2012 at 9:41 AM

      My feelings about Rees are mixed.

      I feel bad that the 2012 bus appears to be ready to leave the station without him. He’s played hard, done his best, etc. Now the consensus is that things have passed him by and he’s toast.

      On the other hand, he’s been leading a charmed life. Lightly recruited kid has started at QB for ND for nearly two full years, despite the fact that no one not named Brian Kelly believed he deserved it. If you asked him coming out of HS “Would you be cool with nearly 2 years as a starter at ND?” I think he’d have said emphatically “YESSIR!!!!” It just so happens that those 2 years were his first two, so his career stands a chance of ending with a whimper.

      I don’t think he’ll transfer for exactly the reasons you mention. And if he DOES transfer, I’ll be disappointed in him. Yes, everyone wants to play, vs holding a clipboard. But still … the guy has been immensely fortunate at ND and now is NOT the time to leave; it’s time to pay some back by helping AH or EG or whoever wins the job.

      • bernhtp - Feb 19, 2012 at 10:25 AM

        Rees won’t leave. He wasn’t supposed to play his freshman year, but events worked in his favor. He wasn’t supposed to play his sophomore year – lost the competition to Crist during the summer – but he played almost the full year. Tommy can’t help but hope and believe that the football gods will work their magic again where his prep meets opportunity.

        You have to love the kid, but wish his five-star competitive attitude had matching feet and arm. I bet he improves, but his physical disadvantage is so great that I don’t expect him to see meaningful time on the field again. But, if events somehow conspire again, Tommy will be ready.

  25. ct111 - Feb 18, 2012 at 11:10 PM

    It really doesn’t matter which QB gets the start, ND will still lose games

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