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Blue-chip CB recruit Hargreaves gets look at Notre Dame

Jul 16, 2012, 9:18 PM EDT

Vernon Hargreaves

It’s no secret that the depth chart at cornerback is inviting for recruits. With little starting experience to speak of on the roster and numbers ripe for addition, the Irish are still chasing a number of elite cornerback in their ’13 recruiting class, even with Rashard Kinlaw and Devin Butler already on board.

There’s probably no bigger name on the Irish’s wish list than Tampa cornerback Vernon Hargreaves III. A consensus top ten player in the country according to multiple recruiting websites, Hargreaves made a stop by South Bend today to check out Notre Dame, and early reports are coming back that the Irish helped themselves.

Josh Newberg of 247Sports.com was one of the only reporters that got a quote from the 5-foot-11, 185-pound cornerback, who had this to say about his quick stop under the dome.

“It was good. I liked it,” Hargreaves told Newberg. “Notre Dame is just a different school. They have different things to offer compared to some of the other schools I’ve visited.

“Their graduation rate of African-Americans is 100 percent… I met with Coach Kelly and Coach Cooks. Coach Kelly is funny. He told me about Notre Dame, the players on the team and how they need corners. He was pretty laid back about it. He didn’t recruit me too hard.”

Via Twitter, Hargreaves revealed a bit more, communicating with a fan that he planned on taking an official visit to Notre Dame this fall, while also joking that his father — USF special teams coach Vernon Hargreaves Jr. —  loved the visit and was bragging about it to his friends, certainly a good sign for the Irish’s chances.

Hargreaves turned more than a few Irish fans’ stomachs last week when he announced USC was his leader after an impressive visit to Los Angeles. Nothing he said since his quick stop in South Bend seems to have changed his mind (it’s only been a few hours, and the trip across the Midwest will include visits to Ohio State and Michigan as well), though this process will likely play out well into the fall. The longer it goes likely the better for the Irish, especially with USC’s recruiting class maxing out around 17 or 18 thanks to NCAA violations.

If Irish fans are looking for an optimistic view, consider the Irish’s success landing recruits with bloodlines similar to Hargreaves. While no two recruits are the same, Notre Dame has certainly done well landing the sons of former athletes or coaches, men who have seen major college sports through a different prism. Austin Collinsworth, George and Josh Atkinson, Davaris Daniels and Corey Robinson each have fathers that had tremendous athletic success and felt comfortable with Brian Kelly and his Irish program being the right choice for their son, quite a compliment if you think about it.

With Hargreaves’s recruitment, perhaps the news that his father, who has spent 20 years coaching in college football at places like UConn, Miami, and now USF is exited about the visit is the best news to come out of the pitstop at Notre Dame.

The Irish are hard after some of Florida’s top talent, with Hargreaves, Mackensie Alexander, and Jordan Sherit — three of the top 20 players in Florida — all giving the Irish a serious look.

 

 

 

  1. smurphdoggy29 - Jul 16, 2012 at 10:18 PM

    Keith hope your Summer is good !
    Just wanted to comment that I like the fact top tier talent is gravitating towards Notre Dame and that the Coaching Staff consistently is hammering away at Coach Kelly’s game plan for recruiting. The Law of Large Numbers indicates Notre Dame will get its fair share of these elite defensive backs, the coaches will ensure that we get the RKG’s at defensive back, because they continually fine tune the approach. (ref: Darby)

    Keep up the good work Coaching Staff, keep up the interest recruits, and keep the faith fans.

    I still handicap the pass catchers as blowing it up come Fall.

    GO Irish !
    See you in Dublin near the Brazen Head !
    Last time in Ireland I was in Duchalla the Glen ’02, my Father passed son after I returned to Ohio, he is now buried in Duchalla overlooking St. Finan’s Bay

    Beat Navy !

  2. mtflsmitty - Jul 16, 2012 at 10:55 PM

    Murph, I hope you’ll get a chance to visit your dad as the Irish bring a impressive win to you both.

    • smurphdoggy29 - Jul 17, 2012 at 10:15 AM

      How excellent that will be ! Thanks !

  3. irishbornraised - Jul 17, 2012 at 12:50 AM

    You forgot the part of tweet in which he said that “his dad was more excited about it than he was” Could be saying he’s not very excited and it’s just his dad (haven’t we seen this before) or that his dad’s super collect

    • dmac4real - Jul 17, 2012 at 10:44 AM

      @JaeeSmiff9ENT oh yeah I loved it ! U were right lol

      He also tweeted that at Jaylon, So its not like he hated ND.

  4. irishbornraised - Jul 17, 2012 at 12:50 AM

    You forgot the part of tweet in which he said that “his dad was more excited about it than he was” Could be saying he’s not very excited and it’s just his dad (haven’t we seen this before) or that his dad’s super collect

    • irishbornraised - Jul 17, 2012 at 1:05 AM

      my bad didn’t mean to post twice

  5. godcountrynotredame - Jul 17, 2012 at 4:30 AM

    Reblogged this on God Country Notre Dame.

    • don74 - Jul 17, 2012 at 9:21 AM

      i reread this on Inside the Irish.

      • godcountrynotredame - Jul 17, 2012 at 10:13 AM

        It’s called a reblog Don.

      • don74 - Jul 17, 2012 at 11:54 AM

        It’s the dead period for college football. Media days do not exist for ND. The CFB world is full of the tragedy of PSU. There is nothing to add that hasn’t been written and even if there was this is not the appropriate forum. So the only thing a reader can do is comment on the comments. Just having some fun at an otherwise boring month. Thank goodness live coverage of the Tour de France is on at 5am.

        I do know what a reblog is and I have checked out the site. In the past others have reblogged this site. Herringbonesports being one. Some develop and become worth reading and some do not. (herrringbone hits the mark more often than not) I wish you well and hope you approach your task with some humor. It’s only a game and it’s entertainment for us…..(see PSU above). Someimes we take it too seriously as we are FANaticS..

        Following BK’s presser every word will be parsed to get an idea on 2012’s QB, what will happen with MMF gone and whatever else. It will be like the old days when the nightly news would look at the postings on the wall in Red Square trying to determine the mind of Chairman Mao.

        This is a long answer to let you know I did reread it! I will most likely look for a new post sometime again today and if it’s not up I will look to the comments with the hope that Nude weighs in on the liklihood of TR starting and the ensuing shxx storm that follows.

        Again, good luck with the site. Make it fun and keep it light.

        I will not be reblogging on any other site.

      • nudeman - Jul 17, 2012 at 1:58 PM

        don
        1) BK presser? When?

        2) PSU: Should get death penalty but won’t. NCAA looks at the revenue that would be lost by cancelling 6-7 PSU home games/year as reason enough NOT to do it. (100K fans with tick prices at avg of $50 each, x 6 games, plus concessions, TV and memorobilia = a sh** load of unrecoverable dough). To them, a pedophilia scandal covered up for years by an institution that lived in fear of a legendary coach is apparently not that big of a deal.
        Look for a slap on the wrist along the lines of 1-2 scholarships lost or a 1 year bowl ban. If so, unconscionably bad judgment. They should be gone for 5 years min. Sorry. Don’t blame me boys.

        3) I’d say it’s about 95% certain Rees’ court date was moved because he’s trying to have his cake and eat it too. Knows if he’s found guilty he’s toast as an ND football player. But if he pleas to a lesser charge, he’ll get some sort of serious suspension which he also doesn’t want. I’d bet they’re BEGGING the prosecutors to reduce charges even more than they already have and let him get away with community svc. I don’t think he’s in a good position here.

      • don74 - Jul 17, 2012 at 5:01 PM

        Nude,

        As ND isn’t part of a conference with a media day or days circus (happening right now in the SEC) usually the day before or at least within the first few days of practice ND has a media day. Kelly will hold his presser and the asst coaches are generally avaliable. With the opening game 9/1 I think practice can start 30 days prior. Someone out there knows this better than I do. Since I read he’s at the lake house there won’t be planned communication until practice begins. A silent HC this time of year is a good thing.

        Since you commented on PSU, I could go either way with death penalty. I do believe if they play all FB revenue should be held by an independant agency that pays the other sports and donates the rest to victim compensation and charity. Four years is about right. I also believe FB needs to be run by an outside agency that will hold the program to university standards. Again, for four years.

        TR has a tough road regardless of the charge. He made a very bad decision in running. Ironic that on the field his bad decisions were staying and throwing into coverage. He should have learned to run earlier…..

      • herringbonesports - Jul 17, 2012 at 5:34 PM

        Thanks for the shoutout Don – you’ve always got my back. You’re right about this being a dead period, especially for the smaller blogs with little or no access to recruiting, players, etc. I’m enjoying some down time before Fall Camp.

        FWIW – I “ReBlogged” only once and it was simply curiosity as to what the hell it actually meant. For those not in the know – if you have a WordPress website, like this one currently is, you have a bar with options for this article that others don’t. The “Reblog” button was a perverbial “Don’t Push The Red Button” type deal and Keith admitted after I apologized that he didn’t know what it did either.

        Good luck with your blog bro. While other blogs may appreciate the “Reblog” because it’s really more of a compliment than anything, it would seem that here it is a taboo way of driving clicks to your own site. I’ll admit when I first started out I did the same stuff, but found better avenues for sharing my info that were less frowned upon.

      • bernhtp - Jul 17, 2012 at 5:50 PM

        Re: “I’d say it’s about 95% certain Rees’ court date was moved because he’s trying to have his cake and eat it too. Knows if he’s found guilty he’s toast as an ND football player.”

        Nude: I’d say with 95% certainty that Rees’ lawyer is doing what every other lawyer would do in the same situation: buy some time to negotiate a deal with the prosecution. I predict there ultimately will be a guilty plea to reduced charges with negotiated punishment, e.g., some community service.

        This is common practice and does not (necessarily) have any connection with his position as QB, jockying for the starting role, BK’s fondness for him, etc.

      • pjm79nd - Jul 17, 2012 at 7:46 PM

        Don74:

        You have mixed up your communists. Red Square is in Russia, not China.

        From Wikipedia:

        Red Square (Russian: Красная площадь, tr. Krásnaja Plóščaď; IPA: [ˈkrasnəjə ˈploɕːətʲ]) is a city square in Moscow, Russia. The square separates the Kremlin, the former royal citadel and currently the official residence of the President of Russia, from a historic merchant quarter known as Kitai-gorod.

      • nudeman - Jul 18, 2012 at 1:25 AM

        bern
        “Nude: I’d say with 95% certainty that Rees’ lawyer is doing what every other lawyer would do in the same situation: buy some time to negotiate a deal with the prosecution. I predict there ultimately will be a guilty plea to reduced charges with negotiated punishment, e.g., some community service.

        This is common practice and does not (necessarily) have any connection with his position as QB, jockying for the starting role, BK’s fondness for him, etc.”

        I have no prob with what his lawyer is doing; nowhere did I say I did. He’s looking our for his (dimwitted) client.

        If he can resist arrest and knee a cop and get community svc, then play football for ND I’ll be very disappointed in the Indiana Judicial system and even more so ND.

        BTW, on another board there’s a poll asking who we want to start at QB. The choices are 1) Rees; 2) Golson or Hendrix; and 3) Anybody but Rees.
        Last I looked there were about 200 votes cast. Rees had 3. I guess he and his mom and dad read that board.

        After enduring months of reading “Tommy is 15-0 as a starter” and “Tommy checks us out of bad plays” etc, it seems ND Nation has finally got it right.

      • don74 - Jul 18, 2012 at 9:09 AM

        pjm

        Thanks, I couldn’t remember but I should have gotten it as I was wearing my red CCCP tee shirt when I wrote it. Hard to believe it was so long ago. Ouch! Has ND won anything since the fall of communism? Maybe it’s not the coach….

      • bernhtp - Jul 18, 2012 at 1:58 PM

        http://notredame.247sports.com/Board/88/Rees-looks-like-a-deal-is-being-hammered-out-10793924/1

      • nudeman - Jul 18, 2012 at 8:42 PM

        bern
        The blogger of that “inside info” doesn’t appear to be very inside.
        I also take issue with his characterization of some of the events.
        But not worth going into. I don’t really care what happens to Rees in court, and in some ways it will be more revealing if he skates and gets no ND suspension.

        At that point we’ll see what kind of decision maker and developer of QBs BK is.
        If he starts Rees and gives us the same old crap about “tommy gives us the best chance to win” and “Tommy checks us into good plays” then I will conclude he’s taken one giant step toward being fired. And justifiably so.

      • bernhtp - Jul 19, 2012 at 8:34 AM

        Nude: My prediction from the outset of this legal mess has been that Rees will be allowed to practice but will be suspending from playing the first two games. I don’t believe he will be on the Dublin flight.

        On the legal front, I bet he negotiates a deal to plead guilty to reduced charges – a count of public intoxication and resisting arrest – both of which will be expunged assuming he completes community services and stays clean through a probationary period (e.g., one year).

        I have no non-public information here, but is what I typically see in similar situations. I don’t think that anyone here is highly motivated to make a special point of deviating from this.

      • nudeman - Jul 19, 2012 at 11:31 AM

        bern
        I agree with your assessment on the legal front
        On the ND front, ResLife (as I’ve read) has no track record of suspending someone for “x” number of games. It’s been all or nothing.

        I actually hope he gets no suspension; this will let us see what kind of coach BK is.
        Will he pull out his “Tommy blankie” and start Rees?
        Or will he show some nads and play a QB with better than MAC level talent?

        I’ve been all over the place on this but lately have come to think he’ll start Rees.
        At that point … BK is on the clock.

  6. bernhtp - Jul 17, 2012 at 11:11 AM

    My guess is that recruiting Hargreaves is an uphill battle. We might get some help from his Dad and certainly from Jaylon and IrishMob13. I think that he is inclined to warmer and lifestyle-conducive environments (esp USC), but maybe righteous influences will get him thinking more about the 40 vs. 4 year impact of the decision. I still think this one is a long shot, but certainly one worth taking given his great talent.

    • italianirish - Jul 17, 2012 at 1:46 PM

      I love this blog and I love reading the comments, but as an ND alum I must say, this 40 vs 4 year business is a bit preposterous. I will admit that in some cases it may be true, but to suggest that a player choosing to go to USC means he has no chance to make life-long friends, find the girl of his dreams, get a great education, have strong alumni connections and great networking opportunities, and get a second look from employers based on his degree is a bit ridiculous. Same goes for most of the schools we play against. As much as I hate to say it, even Michigan.

      Believe it or not, there are people who go to schools other than Notre Dame who lead happy, successful lives.

      • irish4006 - Jul 17, 2012 at 1:51 PM

        Agreed, there are a few good schools (Michigan, USC etc., Stanford can use it over us) where we can’t use this selling point as much as most other schools. :-)

      • nudeman - Jul 17, 2012 at 2:01 PM

        I have alkways said this as well. USC is in fact a great school.
        Believe it or not, so are places like ‘Bama, UF, LSU, etc.

        Then again, NO school is worth a damn if you don’t have to attend class and can major in joint rolling.

      • bernhtp - Jul 17, 2012 at 5:11 PM

        The difference is important and not preposterous. UM is a great research university – important for graduate work – and USC (and others) have a lot of great programs. However, what differentiates Notre Dame are:

        1. The emphasis on undergraduate education.
        2. No non-academic programs into which athletes are typically shuffled in other universities. You can get an absolutely BS education and degree at other places.
        3. A greater commitment to the student athlete which is reflected by Notre Dame’s consistently national-top graduation rates (GSR) and especially its top GSR for black athletes.
        4. The extra sense of community and bigger purpose that comes from Notre Dame being an explicitly religious institution. It is palpable.
        5. The enduring community and bond that exists among Notre Dame alumni. This is real and important.

        I think the 4-40 message (not to be confused with the 4-20 message in other schools) not only has good marketing appeal, but is materially substantive.

  7. bearcatirishfan - Jul 17, 2012 at 2:17 PM

    I disagree about Michigan, don’t they have their own section of campus that they are only allowed in, and apparently they all take some major like general studies and sports management

    • nudeman - Jul 17, 2012 at 2:21 PM

      Michigan might have their own section and some other perks but I’ve always had the impression they make guys go to class and do the work. I don’t think they’re in the same category as the SEC. Those too are good schools, but they let the athletes slide.

    • dmac4real - Jul 17, 2012 at 2:42 PM

      UM’s sports management program is top 10 in the nation so I wouldt scoff at it too much.

    • irish4006 - Jul 17, 2012 at 3:33 PM

      While that may (or may not) be true, a degree from Michigan can take you places; esp. in the 4 year vs. 40 year context. Ohio State is also a very good school when it comes to non-athletics, but you can’t help but lose all respect for the school when you hear what really goes on/went on when it comes to protecting football and football players – teachers helping athletes cheat, head coach lying to NCAA which is then okayed by the AD/President etc.(anyone remember the comment, “I hope Coach Tressel doesn’t fire us.”?).

  8. bearcatirishfan - Jul 17, 2012 at 3:00 PM

    I think Michigan does, I remember Jim harbough saying something about it a couple of years ago.

  9. 1trojanlove - Jul 17, 2012 at 6:19 PM

    Vernon, come to USC, the weather and the ladies are nice… And the academics are top notch… You can top off one the best recruiting classes in a decade!

  10. nudeman - Jul 18, 2012 at 1:28 AM

    Here’s the poll, updated, that I referenced in my post above. Rees is now up to 4 (1.8%),

    Which camp are you in?
    Results (total votes = 220):
    Rees Camp 4 / 1.82%
    Anyone but Rees Camp 146 / 66.36%
    I support ND’s QB no matter what camp 70 / 31.82%

  11. mtflsmitty - Jul 18, 2012 at 2:54 AM

    As to the question of university quality and the 40 year benefits. From a recruiting perspective it seems like a strong value prop that may not be unique to ND, certainly is a strength of the university. Graduation rate is the real story here, and speaks to the expectations the university places on it’s student athletes. No one cares where you attended school. They are interested to know from what school you graduated. ND is heads and shoulders above all sans Duke, I believe.

    As for the real life values of attending ND vs. universities with less rigorous academics, I’m inclined to sit in the “it’s what you make of it” camp. I for one hold ND in the highest esteem for a combination of virtues including commitment to service as well as academics. I’m from NWI, Irish, Catholic, and the son of a ’57 alum. And yet the fact is, I just wasn’t good enough in the classroom to attend. But as it turns out, professional success has a lot more to do with hard work, initiative, and creativity than many things taught in the classroom.

    That said, ask any of my beautiful children where they will be attending university, they will all tell you Notre Dame.

    Go Irish.
    (Go Ball State)

  12. irishbuckeye - Jul 18, 2012 at 5:48 AM

    Is there anything to the recent Notre Dame tweets from Tee Shepard?

    • nudeman - Jul 18, 2012 at 12:08 PM

      This has been discussed in depth here.
      Kid is tweeting that he’s “working on getting back to ND”. Doubt it.
      It’s not gonna’ happen.

      He’s a terrible student, and always has been a terrible student.
      Clearly should never have made it through Admissions in the first place.
      And btw, has not played football in 2 years.

      Reads at about the level of a 7th grader, and has no acumen for math or science.
      His ACT scores reflected this.
      When he says he’s “working on coming back”, that’s delusional just like him saying he left ND for medical reasons.

      Forget this.

  13. soundsofsuccess7 - Jul 18, 2012 at 7:27 PM

    he’s USC bound.

    • nudeman - Jul 19, 2012 at 11:24 AM

      He’s Fresno bound. As in the city, not the school
      Going nowhere in life with his excuse making and idiot approach to academics

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