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Orgeron set to lead Trojans to South Bend

Oct 15, 2013, 12:35 PM EDT

Cody Kessler AP

When USC heads to South Bend for their annual rivalry game against Notre Dame, they’ll bring a team that’s battered by injuries, coached by a staff likely to be looking for jobs in 90 days, and fanbase that nearly abandoned the program under Lane Kiffin. But in many ways, they’re the Irish’s biggest nightmare.

Gone is the impending gloom that’s hung over Kiffin for much of the last year. After NCAA sanctions crippled the Trojans depth and the pressure that came with a preseason No. 1 ranking eventually swallowed up the young head coach, athletic director Pat Haden fired Kiffin after five games this season, walking away from the embattled head coach that had lost just about every Trojan fan not living under the same roof when he dropped seven of his last eleven games. Among the losses that cost Kiffin his job were two of three to Notre Dame, something that certainly didn’t go unnoticed by Trojan fans that had seen dominant success against the Irish lately.

This season’s battle for the Jeweled Shillelagh will feature a coach that’s been a part of that success against Notre Dame. Only interim head coach Ed Orgeron‘s success came as the raspy voiced creole responsible for Pete Carroll’s star-studded defensive line, an assistant coach that won eight straight against the Irish. It was a rivalry that Carroll and Orgeron relished, the importance of the game taught to them early in their tenures in Los Angeles by another one-time snarling Trojan, former assistant Marv Goux.

“When we first got her, Marv Goux sat down with me and coach Carroll about the importance of this game to the university, to the fans, some of the traditions,” Orgereon said. “We still carry on those traditions.”

One tradition Brian Kelly would certainly like to end is the Trojans’ dominance in Notre Dame Stadium. It’s been over 10 years and five head coaches since Bob Davie defeated Pete Carroll in 2001. Irish Illustrated’s Tim Prister talked about some of the heartache the Irish have had when playing their West Coast rivals, especially in these past few years where a victory could have changed the team’s trajectory.

This weekend, when the Irish host USC at night, Notre Dame has another trend it would like to end. The Trojans have defeated the Irish in Notre Dame Stadium five straight times, including the 31-17 loss in 2011.

The last time the Irish defeated USC at home was in Pete Carroll’s first year as head coach of the Trojans in 2001 when the Irish – who would finish 5-6 in Davie’s last season as head coach – claimed a 27-16 victory.

In the 2011 loss to the Trojans, the Irish laid an egg with a lot at stake. It was the first night game in Notre Dame Stadium since the 1990 season-opener against Michigan. The Irish broke out new gold helmets, and the atmosphere was embellished with piped in music to make Notre Dame Stadium a more intimidating place.

But in front of more than a dozen official visitors in the biggest recruiting weekend of the season, the Irish fell behind 14-0 in the first quarter and 17-0 in the second quarter. Just when it appeared they would tie the game late in the third quarter, Jawanza Starling returned a Dayne Crist fumble 80 yards for a score and the losing streak in Notre Dame Stadium against the Trojans increased to five.

(Prister went on to recount the pummeling that Carroll inflicted on Ty Willingham as well, but his point was already well made.)

This weekend, the Irish have the deck stacked in recruiting as well, with several West Coast prospects and a handful of national targets taking their official look at Notre Dame. And while the game might not rate as important with USC transitioning coaches and both teams already saddled with two losses, you can argue that this game is the most important of the season, considering how well set up the Irish are for a late-season run.

This is not Pete Carroll’s Trojan team. But it’s not Lane Kiffin’s anymore, either. And that means a football team that’s still got many concerns but is also one of the more talented that the Irish will face this season. CBS Sports’ Bruce Feldman talked about the reinvigorated attitude that the Trojans played with last weekend. Expect the same in South Bend.

So while the game might not have the national intrigue that some have had in the past, there’s certainly no shortage of subplots this Saturday night.

 

  1. alwayspositive11 - Oct 15, 2013 at 1:28 PM

    The Irish played their best game of the year against Arizona State. They showed flashes of brilliance in all three phases of the game, but they also had some mistakes as well. The interception returned for a touchdown comes to mind. That being said I still think the offense, defense, and special teams had good games against Arizona State. That’s how this team is capable of playing. Can they replicate that performance against USC? I don’t see why not. If the Irish play as well as they did against Arizona State, or better, they should win this game comfortably. It’s a bold statement I know, but this USC team doesn’t seem mentally strong. They seem like a team that waves the white flag and accepts their fate once the quicksand starts sinking beneath them.
    My question is will the real USC please stand up? Who knows how good the Trojans are? They probably aren’t the horrible team that got destroyed by Arizona State, but they probably aren’t as good as the one that did whatever they wanted to do against Arizona. My guess is they’re probably somewhere in the middle. A convincing victory for the Irish isn’t a certainty, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it happened.

    • c4evr - Oct 16, 2013 at 11:43 AM

      I definitely agree with your post… maybe.

  2. cpfirish - Oct 15, 2013 at 1:45 PM

    There is no doubt that we are the better team. Just all depends on what ND team shows up. Cause we all know how we play after our bye week.. And a lot of that has to do with coach Kelly! Go Irish.

    • mayo1010 - Oct 17, 2013 at 12:49 PM

      cpfirish really don’t know what you are referring to in regards to coach Kelly? Are you referring to the disappointing performance with USC after the bye week in 2011? Or is it the demolishing of Utah (W28-3) and Miami (w41-3) after bye weeks in 2010 and 2012?

      Seems to me he’s been pretty good after bye weeks. Explain please.

  3. irishdodger - Oct 15, 2013 at 1:46 PM

    this is ND’s biggest game of the season. Mostly b/c it’s a huge hump to get over before the schedule becomes more manageable. Looking back at the UM & OU losses are sickening now that we see they’re both average squads. ND was their own worst enemy by no putting Tommy in a situation to succeed & resting their hopes on his arm. I blame Tommy for bad decision making but I blame the staff ultimately for putting Tommy in a situation where he’s not physically equipped to succeed. In 2010, Tommy threw THREE picks & lost ONE fumble yet still won the game. They won’t be so lucky this weekend if they turn the ball over like that.

  4. nudeman - Oct 15, 2013 at 2:06 PM

    Keith,
    You did a “How We Got Here” story on DBs, LBs, DL, OL, WRs and RBs.
    I think you forgot QB and coaching.

    • irishfanboard - Oct 15, 2013 at 2:33 PM

      He’s got 2 more days.

    • c4evr - Oct 15, 2013 at 4:16 PM

      He’s combining them under the title, ‘How we got here and what are we doing in this hand basket?’

    • rationalnd - Oct 15, 2013 at 4:21 PM

      What’s the point? You, getsome, and a handful of others have argued the QB situation in nearly every one of those articles to the point of making Congress look functional.

      In the immortal style of dickasman I would not touch the comment section in that article “with your d**k and getsome pushing”.

      Regarding the CURRENT article… This game will not be easy. Orgeron and the O-coordinator have opened the playbook beyond anything Kiffin would normally do, meaning there is only 1 game of relevant tape for the Irish defense to study which is a little worrisome. All that is certain is that USC will come out swinging. Hopefully the Irish can dominate and demoralize them early.

      • nudeman - Oct 15, 2013 at 4:35 PM

        rational
        Setting my feelings aside, there are no two areas that have generated more hot debates than the QB play and the coaching this year.

        So maybe it’s just me (highly doubt it) but when one takes the time to break down the play of guys like Dan Fox, Austin Collinsworth and Kona Schwenke, I’d think one would find time to discuss the two highest profile individuals here – BK and TR.

        Maybe you wanted to 5,000 word piece on Josh Atkinson?

      • irishwilliamsport - Oct 15, 2013 at 5:30 PM

        We may have run the table again this year if Golson was the QB. I think it would be lights out for the offense and our defense is good but not great like last year but good enough to keep us in games like UM and OU. Stanford is just getting to the tough part of their schedule and is not as good as people think. Small recruiting classes in 2012 and 2013 and depth is catching up with them and more losses to come.

        I don’t see Orgeron (Mr. happy) as anything but a fill in for the next coach and the players know that. He’s certainly not the next Nick Saban or even Bob Davie. They’re thrilled not to have to play for Kiffen again and showed it vs. a very bad defense in Arizona. ASU and AU scored almost 100 points combined vs. USC. There are problems with USC at QB and with injuries thinning an already small roster. Once the emotion wears off or if we got off to a fast start reality will set in.

      • rationalnd - Oct 15, 2013 at 5:37 PM

        I get what you’re saying Nude. It sure would be nice to see if there is any further insight into the QB position. In fact I seem to remember KA saying that he was working on a piece specifically on TR a week or two ago, did I miss that?

        What I don’t get is why YOU would want to see it. I’m just being honest and not trying to dig at you but we all know if KA says anything remotely positive about TR, you’ll have yet another field day with it. I imagine you foaming at the mouth waiting for the opportunity haha. Actually, now that I’ve said that I get why you would want to see it.

        In my opinion the fixation with TR has become redundant and has bogged down the discussion regarding the other 21 starters, the desperately thin depth at MLB, the lack of a RB such as Carlisle being used in the slot, the insistence on running WR screens with little/no success, etc.

      • nudeman - Oct 15, 2013 at 5:39 PM

        Nothing is guaranteed against USC. I’ve seen too many crazy things – in a bad way – over the years.

        1964 – the phantom holding call
        1970 – Theismann throws for 500+ yards and they lose in a monsoon
        1974 – Up 24-6 at half and in control. USC scores next 49 points. In one half. In fact, I think Anthony Davis just scored again.
        1978 – Ridiculously bad call in last 30 seconds after spectacular Montana comeback and ND loses
        200X – ND decides to cover all but one SC receiver and of course Leinert finds him for 61 yard gain down the far sideline. Bush Push. ND loses

        No lead is safe, and this is one game ND can’t come out half asleep and fuck around the first 15 min

      • nudeman - Oct 15, 2013 at 5:47 PM

        rational
        You are probably right. There’s not much new for US to say. But I’d like Keith’s perspective.

        Besides, to examine the entire team at halfway point and not talk about coaching (which has been VERY questionable this year) or TR (who’s as polarizing as ever) … well, that’s like

        Talking about the most annoying personalities in the world and skipping the Kardashians.
        Dissecting the ’61 Yankees and not mentioning Mantle or Maris
        Doing a write up on Breaking Bad and skipping Walt
        Listing the worst singers of all time and skipping Michael Bolton
        Or like … (add in your own)

        You get the point.

      • rationalnd - Oct 15, 2013 at 8:29 PM

        Spot on in both comments Nude.

        I look forward to KA’s perspective as well.

      • getsome99 - Oct 15, 2013 at 8:47 PM

        Pretty funny shit right there.

        I expect Keith to deliver the goods as he’s probably well aware that Nude’s Dudes are foaming at the mouth waiting for it.

        No way we lose this game. They’re not as good as we fear and we’re better than we think. We’ll probably make our usual amount of mistakes and keep it close but we’ll still be good enough to beat them.

  5. irishwilliamsport - Oct 15, 2013 at 5:38 PM

    QB play has been the Achilles heel of ND for a long time since the Holtz era.

    • grumpyirish61 - Oct 15, 2013 at 7:25 PM

      jarious jackson, brady quinn, jim clausen

    • bearcatirishfan - Oct 16, 2013 at 9:38 AM

      Weis was so bad in so many ways, but the one thing he did do well was coach QB’s. He really only had two, and Quinn and Clausen were pretty good ones.

  6. deaconjack - Oct 15, 2013 at 5:54 PM

    Great comments from the nudeman until the last sentence. I was looking at this blog the other day and my grandson, who is a sports encyclopedia, sat next to me. He asked me what I was looking at and I told him a blog about ND football. He said he would like to read it after I was done and I told him that was not going to happen. Too bad an eleven year old has to be shielded from this site really to bad it is so incredibly smutty. As I have said before we are young only once but we can choose to remain immature forever. Credit to Ogden Nash.

    • NotreDan - Oct 15, 2013 at 9:42 PM

      oh god not this moral bullshit AGAIN this year.

      FUCK

  7. getsome99 - Oct 15, 2013 at 6:11 PM

    I for one, am not a fan of QB talk, no matter who the QB is on any team. We all know the importance of the position but it’s a never ending, heated debate like politics and religion that draws opinions without much perspective or sometimes even logic. If I want to talk QB play, I can get the same interaction from my girlfriend or son as they will tell me if ‘he’ sucks or if ‘he’s’ awesome. When engaging with more intelligent fans, I prefer to discuss the other aspects of the game.

  8. getsome99 - Oct 15, 2013 at 6:39 PM

    2005 (Bush push game) – The Leinart pass to Jarrett was on 4th and long no less. T Lambert or A Wooden (can’t remember which one) had his back turned on the play and all he had to do was turn around and wave his hand to deflect the pass as Jarrett caught it in stride.

    2009 – the jump ball to Rudolph. 9 out of 10 tries, he finishes that play.

    2011 – Dayne Crist

    Games of inches.

  9. papadec - Oct 15, 2013 at 8:22 PM

    Orgeron was a part of the problem with Pete Carroll, & the Kiffins. Pete split, leaving sc holding the bag of shit & the ncaa punishment. Kiffin senior split, junior has been fired, and now the last man standing will be fired when ND & ucla kick his and the sc ass this year! Haden will have cleaned house, one way or another, and will start clean next year.

    • irish4006 - Oct 17, 2013 at 8:16 PM

      I don’t know what many of you see in Haden. He is the idiot who hired Lane Kiffin in the first place.

      • getsome99 - Oct 17, 2013 at 8:42 PM

        FYI – Mike Garrett hired Lane Kiffin, not Pat Haden. Good try though.

  10. NotreDan - Oct 15, 2013 at 9:14 PM

    KA, as has been demonstrated, is incapable of actual critical analysis of either the QB position or the (at least) partial collapse of scheme and play calling in the first half of this season.

    As many of you, well… at least one of you, enjoy, this is the rash on the vulva that results from there being NO actual “Inside the Irish” knowledge, and an unwillingness to upset the NBC/ND gravy train.

    Even IF we get a QB or coaching piece, it will be the same benign and flaccid endorsement of a marginally successful attempt to not lose too many games.

    gitsum, I expect your normal indignant, wordy belching contained in 40 or 50 posts that defend KA’s manhood and argue with ghosts.

    The rest of you… don’t you wish for the days before KA got his blogger buddies to flood the stream with group-think?

    • c4evr - Oct 16, 2013 at 11:39 AM

      You must be a 30+ guy. All the 30- guys here really can’t recall days of consistent ND dominance when the kind of games week in and out today were reserved for the nail biters against Miami and FSU. Today’s younger set seem content with the win at any cost mentality regardless of the tangible signs of improvement on the field. I personally don’t think Kelly’s ‘let’s escape out of here with a win’ approach inspires. Remember the team’s reaction after winning the BYU game last year? They were all downcast and Kelly came in and said, basically, ‘What are you crying for? We won.’ Maybe if they expected a little more of themselves, then we’d be more likely to see kids step up. But, then again, that’s a tall order when you play for a guy coaching to not lose.

    • mtflsmitty - Oct 16, 2013 at 3:35 PM

      The premise of your argument seems to be if KA doesn’t agree with you he’s wrong. Your premise is flatly specious.

      The crux of being able to have a valid dialog about the quality of the coaching, requires us to have an I depth discussion about the tactics of game planning and executing at this level. I have yet to read anyone on this site in two years who has demonstrated a true command for how effective preparation, game planning and execution in all three phases of the game works.

      So, to have a dialog about our opinions is one thing. But to imply KA is a corporate hack because he doesn’t agree with you doesn’t follow.

      • irish4006 - Oct 17, 2013 at 8:19 PM

        KA does have a blindspot the size of Utah when it comes to TR. I have to think that TR is one of his inside buddies who feed him information for the articles he writes. He just doesn’t want to burn that bridge.

  11. loadofwash - Oct 15, 2013 at 9:58 PM

    Manti had 5 tackles last night. Who gets rookie of the yr? The dead girlfriend?

  12. mikes1160 - Oct 15, 2013 at 10:02 PM

    Dan,

    I think this is a forum. I’m not sure who you want Keith to barbecue on a team that has gone 16-3 in its last 19 games.

    Chill. And apologize.

    • NotreDan - Oct 15, 2013 at 10:05 PM

      The coaches and the QB. DUH. You must be a State fan.

    • c4evr - Oct 16, 2013 at 11:53 AM

      mikes,

      16-3 = pointless

      Pretty sure that’s what the optimistic USC posters were saying when Kiffin was sitting at 18-7 two years ago. You see where that ended.

      BTW, this is where people come to not apologize for their ramblings… it’s more like therapy in that way.

  13. mikes1160 - Oct 15, 2013 at 10:04 PM

    Dan, put the bottle down.

  14. NotreDan - Oct 15, 2013 at 10:07 PM

    Aw Christ, another one of KA’s buddies. Maybe if he were… something (there, that’s my polite), he’d 1) ban me or 2) address the glaring lack of real critical analysis.

  15. NotreDan - Oct 15, 2013 at 10:22 PM

    Seriously, ALL we talked about ALL off-season was our awesome jump in recruiting and the higher overall talent level (well, other than eddie vanderdoesn’t donning a skirt and EG cheating on a test), but for the most part, the trajectory of the “Inside knowledge” conversation was a tougher D and a decent O, even with the physical shortcomings of TR.

    There has been NO real critical explanation of why we have sucked so bad at so many points this year.

    If we have more talent, and are overall more talented the ONLY answers are 1) coaching and/or 2) a collapse of the intangibles that KA called “garbage” in a piece not so long ago.

    The rest of you can sit on the hay wagon and sip your coors light and sing the alma mater, but I for one would appreciate some REAL answers, that only come from REAL questions.

    This is my right as a fan to expect these things from a place and source that should have (at least by name if not implication) the actual skinny.

    • viktory2013 - Oct 15, 2013 at 10:42 PM

      Agree totally with you NotreDan. The reason there is such an “obsession” with the quarterback position is because that is primarily where the team’s problems lie, yet there seems to be this weird state of denial with Kelly and many fans; this almost annoying affection for Rees and a willingness to overlook glaringly inept play. Brian Kelly is a solid, winning coach, yet at times he makes almost bizarre decisions with personnel and game plans, as if his emotions or personal feelings are guiding the process. What was accomplished with last year’s team was near astounding, but by the same token this year’s team probably should have been 6-0 at this point. It’s not a critique and it’s certainly not praise, but it is the truth.

      • bearcatirishfan - Oct 16, 2013 at 9:51 AM

        Sorry but there are a only a few Rees supporters left, most of us fall into the “this is what we got category” and choose do not lament on the topic endlessly because there is nothing that can be done about it. Does Kelly support him maybe irrationally at times YES, but what would you rather him do shit all over his only viable option so he looses any remaining confidence that Rees has and then he plays worse, which is possible. Seriously, people he has to unfortunately guard minds as well as Xs and Os.

      • bearcatirishfan - Oct 16, 2013 at 9:53 AM

        Actually, I now that I think about the only viable option Kelly has is to have the o line and WRs work on tackling drills so the inevitable interceptions don’t always turn into pick 6’s.

    • c4evr - Oct 16, 2013 at 11:12 AM

      Hey NotreDan, don’t blame KA for being the company shill, after all he’s paid to stir the pot, not empty it. His articles are as vanilla as Kelly’s O. We’re the ones that add the spice.
      You ask good questions. I’ll proffer a theory for you. What if last year’s team wasn’t all that good (BYU, Pitt, Alabama). They did show flashes of defensive brilliance (Stanford, Michigan, MSU) that won more than a few games. And, arguably, they got some wins sheerly from Golson’s ability to extend the play, but they got a lot of calls and bounces that they’re not getting this year. Now, even with all that talent coming back, you’d expect at least not to see a significant drop in performance – especially with Kelly saying he thought the gap between ND and ‘Bama was closer than we think. Yet, the team has struggled with no convincing adjustment on offense (i.e. run first) and the defense has already given up more points than they did the entire season before the BCS game. Hell, even the Patriots are having to make weekly adjustments from a pass mentality to a run mentality… and winning in the meantime. Much of this has to land at the coach’s feet for not scheming better with loads of running options/talent and a limited, yet serviceable, QB. He could at least give up his infatuation with TR checking into plays at the line. What good is recognition if you’re going to throw high and late 80% of the time? And by now, teams know to show a set, then shift knowing what Rees will likely call. Kelly’s coaching ability shouldn’t hinge completely on the legs of a mobile QB; he should be able to do more with what he has. My real question is, how close is the actual gap between this and last year’s ND teams.

      • NotreDan - Oct 16, 2013 at 1:16 PM

        Holy moses, now there’s some logical analysis.

        I have been pounding this topic all season. We lack the ability in the coaching staff to adjust the scheme to win (I mean win, like ND should win, based on the level of talent on the roster) with what we have.

        I know I get personal in some of these attacks, but for all the reading and studying and agonizing I do as the greenest of green Irish fan, there is still a huge gap of unexplained ineptitude that SHOULD be rooted out by the “media” closest to the program.

        All just IMO of course.

      • c4evr - Oct 16, 2013 at 2:05 PM

        And it’s quite possible there’s a concerted effort to focus on the bright side by fans and media because nobody really wants to admit we’ve got a potential Willingham/Weis redux on our hands.

      • mtflsmitty - Oct 16, 2013 at 3:42 PM

        I’m sorry. C4ever shared more opinion. Zero analysis.

        Those of you who want more analysis should be able to fill the void that you say exists (and btw, I tend to agree with you). But if C4ever’s post above qualifies as the sort of fact based analysis you crave, I’m afraid we are talking about two different things.

        You want blood. I want analysis of the Xs and Os.

  16. loadofwash - Oct 15, 2013 at 10:29 PM

    That BCS game was pretty good, wasn’t it?

    • NotreDan - Oct 15, 2013 at 10:33 PM

      load, stop being such a fairy. you’ve been around long enough to NOT be a dried piece of turd on my dogs ass. Have something new or relevant to say.

      • papadec - Oct 16, 2013 at 12:29 AM

        Dan – load will be throwing that dried, stale shit out here for the next 20 years, or until he dies. It’s all he has! Kinda like a teen holding on to the memory of his first kiss.

  17. deaconjack - Oct 16, 2013 at 12:28 AM

    Notredan obviously you have made your choice. We are all free to be idiots. Your choice is clear.

  18. getsome99 - Oct 16, 2013 at 1:25 AM

    Re: NotreDan,

    You really need an Irish “insider” to tell you that this year’s Notre Dame team is not as good as the 2012 team? A 2012 team that had one of the best, if not THE best, defenses in Notre Dame history? Led by a legendary performance from Manti Te’o.

    If you want to blame someone for Notre Dame going 10-2 this year instead of going 12-0 again, then why not just blame yourself for having unrealistic expectations about this team?

    • irish4006 - Oct 17, 2013 at 8:29 PM

      I see that your multiple aliases have been working hard in the thumbs up column. Keep it up, it’s not like you have a real job or something.

      • getsome99 - Oct 17, 2013 at 8:48 PM

        You don’t get any thumbs up or down because nobody reads your crap. You just talk to yourself. Nudeman doesn’t even like you and he created you. I heard you’re his least favorite character.

      • irish4006 - Oct 17, 2013 at 9:03 PM

        “…nobody reads your crap.” except one idiot, I am talking about you in case you didn’t realize. You are not only reading, but responding.

      • irish4006 - Oct 17, 2013 at 9:06 PM

        I believe it is the same idiot who also took the time to click the thumbs down.

      • getsome99 - Oct 17, 2013 at 9:09 PM

        Nobody is paying attention to you.

      • irish4006 - Oct 17, 2013 at 9:22 PM

        Yet, you keep on replying.

        BTW, this is another sign that you are an idiot – measuring one’s worth by how much attention one gets.

  19. getsome99 - Oct 16, 2013 at 1:37 AM

    I think when you go from being ranked #1 to #46 overall in total defense, then it’s pretty clear that QB is the team’s primary problem. Wait. What?

    Why are we starting our backup QB again anyway? Because the coach cheated on a test? We really need to start holding our coaches accountable more for the player’s actions in and out of the classroom.

  20. 1historian - Oct 16, 2013 at 8:27 AM

    It’s US effing C this week.

    No more need be said

  21. getsome99 - Oct 17, 2013 at 2:00 PM

    re: Brian Kelly haters,

    So which is it? Is his play-calling too vanilla, boring, and predictable with the mentality to escape with a win? or is he too aggressive with a below avenge QB who throws deep fade routes too much when he should be running the ball more?

    I’m hearing both things at the same time from the Brian Kelly critics. Can you all at least get on the same page?

    Goooooooooo Irish!

  22. getsome99 - Oct 17, 2013 at 8:38 PM

    @ irish4006,

    FYI – Mike Garrett hired Lane Kiffin, not Pat Haden. Good try though.

  23. getsome99 - Oct 17, 2013 at 9:26 PM

    @ irish4006,

    You’re the one that called Pat Haden an idiot for hiring Lane Kiffin. So not sure how I should take being called an idiot by you. You’re kinda boring. I’m going to join everyone else and start ignoring you too. Keep up the good work.

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