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Counting down the Irish: A closer look at the rankings


This is the final installment of “Counting down the Irish,” our annual ranking of the Top 25 players on Notre Dame’s roster. Click here for our ratings of players 25-2120-16, 15-11, 10-65-1, and analysis

With Brian Kelly set to address the media on Friday to officially kick off the season, we are finally through the offseason abyss and ready to actually talk about — well, football.

Gone is the speculation on how the Irish plan to deal with their four-headed quarterback race. Gone are the cryptic messageboard postings by those who have heard this player looks good in summer workouts. For the first time in nearly five years, the Irish walk into camp with legitimate momentum on their side, and a potential spot in the conversation for a dark-horse BCS contender.

To finish off our Counting Down the Irish series, let’s take a look at each panelists individual lists (Click the graphic for a better view):

source:  * Both Frank and I see Aaron Lynch having a really nice debut season, but I really like the fact that Frank also fit Stephon Tuitt and Ishaq Williams into his rankings. I fully expect Tuitt to make a difference this season and there’s every reason to think that these three freshman are among the 25 most skilled football players on the roster. That said, I still think Williams might need some time to develop, and if he’s not ready to see the field as a situational pass rusher it’d be a huge advantage to let him sit and save a year of eligibility. It’ll allow Williams to keep learning and also let Steve Filer back up Darius Fleming as a pass rush specialist.

* DomerMQ has taken enough flack for his list, but still — it’s certainly not shy of controversial rankings. Keeping Dayne Crist out of his top 25 seemed to get plenty of notice, but putting David Ruffer above Manti Te’o and Michael Floyd still has me scratching my head. Sure, Ruffer was the only returning player to be a finalist for a postseason award. But Brian Fremeau of Football Outsiders points out via twitter that as good as Ruffer was, the best kicker in the country only adds around 15 to 17 points to the scoreboard versus an average kicker. The best player on the Notre Dame roster — whether its Floyd or Te’o — adds more value over replacement than that. Good to see MQ being optimistic on a player, exercising the annual right of autumn that most recent Irish fans have taken a liking to — predicting big things out of Steve Filer, a linebacker with a dazzling skillset but not much to show for it.

* Eric joined me on the Sean Cwynar train. Even though multiple offseason surgeries worry me, I fully expect Cwynar to be a disruptive presence on the inside. Cwynar will likely be to the key to the Irish shifting between three and four man fronts, allowing the Irish to get a guy like Aaron Lynch on the field on passing downs. Eric also had Gary Gray higher than anybody else had, though Gray was in everybody but MQ’s top six — with MQ putting Gray behind guys like Chris Watt and Prince Shembo. If you’re looking for a guy that think’s Dayne Crist is ready to breakout, start pointing at Eric. If Crist plays up to his No. 4 ranking, book your tickets to a BCS bowl now.

* Matt is buying what Brian Kelly is selling when it comes to Danny Spond. Even though the freshman didn’t make an impact on the stat sheet last season, there’s plenty to like about Spond, who likely will see time with Prince Shembo playing opposite Darius Fleming. Matt’s also high on Andrew Nuss, ranking the fifth-year senior at No. 15 when nobody else had him on their list. Matt’s also waving the Louis Nix flag, and the mammoth sophomore will see his first real downs of football, and his ability will likely be dictated by the shape Lou reports to camp in. All reports are good, but until Irish fans see a promising recruit actually pan out on the field, they’re best not getting their hopes up.

* MB & CW had Manti Te’o ranked higher than Michael Floyd, making them the only judge that had Te’o-Floyd 1-2. (Of course, DMQ had Te’o-Floyd 2-3.) Team Rakes was the one group that also didn’t forget about Jamoris Slaughter, a guy many depended on last year to be the best safety in the secondary. Slaughter’s season was essentially ruined against Purdue when an ankle injury hobbled him for the rest of the year. In addition to their extraordinary haiku skills, they are also buying Taylor Dever, ranking him second among starting linemen.


With football kicking off for real tomorrow, here’s a special thanks to our panelists for getting everybody worked up a week early. Check out everybody’s websites as the season rolls on.

[Apologies for the formatting mess… WordPress 1, Keith 0.]

Counting down the Irish: 25-21

Carlo Calabrese

As we kick off our 2011 Irish Top 25, let’s get some things out of the way quickly. This is just a list, not some objective evaluation process. Some guys I had ranked much higher than others. (It worked the other way as well.) Still, what you’ll find here is a pretty good composite projected ranking for players on the 2011 Irish roster.

Of course, lists like this are subjective by definition. I kept the qualifications light and let our panel of “experts” use their own methodology.

Once again, here is our esteemed group of panelists:

Frank Vitovitch of UHND.com
DomerMQ of HerLoyalSons.com
Eric Murtaugh of OneFootDown.com
Matt Mattare of WeNeverGradute.com
Matt & CW of RakesofMallow.com


25. Taylor Dever (OT, Sr.): Dever won the right tackle job last year after seeing limited minutes as a junior and sophomore. The fifth-year senior should anchor the position he started ten games at, missing time with a hamstring injury in the heart of the season. You didn’t hear Dever’s name much last season, a good thing for a right tackle.

Highest ranking: 16th. Lowest ranking: Unranked (3 times)

24. Chris Watt (OG, Jr.): Watt is the presumed replacement for Chris Stewart, and is versatile enough to slide in at center if needed. After redshirting his freshman season, Watt played in all 13 games last season for the Irish, providing depth behind Stewart.

Highest ranking: 12th. Lowest ranking: Unranked (4 times)

23. Zeke Motta (S, Jr.): Thrown into action after an early season injury to Jamoris Slaughter, Motta learned on his feet, playing in all 13 games and starting eight opposite Harrison Smith. His improvement was evident as the season went on, and the rising junior will battle Slaughter for the job across from Smith.

Highest ranking: 19th. Lowest ranking: Unranked (2 times)

22. Aaron Lynch (DE, Fr.): One of the most highly anticipated defensive newcomers in years, Lynch lit the Blue-Gold game on fire with a dynamic performance. While he’ll probably only see the field on passing downs, Lynch has all the potential in the world.

Highest ranking: 16th. Lowest ranking: Unranked (2 times)

21. Carlo Calabrese (LB, Jr.): After sitting out his freshman season, Calabrese won the inside linebacker job opposite Manti Te’o, and started eight games before a hamstring injury took him out. He finished fifth on the team in tackles, sixth in TFLs, and fourth in sacks. He’ll compete for a starting job again this fall.

Highest ranking: 17th. Lowest ranking: 24th.


After looking at the composite list, here are a few questions I had for the panel. I’ll highlight a few answers that I found interesting.

Who did you have sitting at No. 26? Are you reconsidering after looking at everybody else’s lists?

DomerMQ @HerLoyalSons — Crist. had Crist at #26. Or maybe 40th. Or maybe lower. Wherever I had him, he wasn’t 1-25. And I’m actually feeling pretty good about it, having stolen a look at everyone’s 1-25. It went about the way I thought it would.  And I understand the points of view of the other fine members of this council, but, while this team may not be full of 1st-round talent from 1-25, it’s full of a nice bit of depth, and I just couldn’t see clear to move Crist into the top 25 given he was the QB who started in the latest loss to Navy.

Matt @WeNeverGraduate — I was tempted to stick Robby Toma in there somewhere because I think he’s going to be the guy who emerges as the most productive fourth wideout. Sean Cwynar also got some consideration thanks to his rock solid performance filling in for Ian Williams when the senior went down.

Which one of these guys has the highest upside for the season?

Eric @OneFootDown — Out of the guys from the 21-25 range it is most obviously Aaron Lynch, who could jump as many as a dozen spots or more if we were to do this ranking system at the end of the 2011 season. I also think Motta is a good bet to move up a decent amount as well.

Matt @WeNeverGraduate — I’ll tap Zeke Motta for this question. Motta improved by leaps and bounds throughout last season as he logged more and more minutes thanks to Jamoris Slaughter’s injury. He’s a freak athlete and he finally seems to be grasping the position.

Any name you think comes in too low here? Too high?

Frank @UHND — Definitely think Lynch is too low.  I know Kelly tried to downplay Lynch’s Blue-Gold game performance, but it was hard not to be impressed.  With the off-season conditioning and fall camp under his belt, I think Lynch is going to make a big impact from day 1.  No one here really looks too high.  Of the three players here I didn’t have in my rankings – Motta, Watt, and Dever – all of them were right outside of my rankings and I considered all of them right on the cusp so hard to argue with any of them.

CW&MB @RakesofMallow — I cannot shake the images of Zeka Motta’s miserable tackling angles in the 2010 Blue-Gold Game.  Even our walk-on running backs were beating him to the edge because of his lack of basic geometrical knowledge.  He played well enough during the season, but he’s the one guy in this group that I’m not sold on.

What do you think a realistic expectation is for someone that’s judged to be between the 21st and 25th best player on the Irish roster?

Frank @UHND — There are 24 starters on a team (including the kicker and punter) so any player within the top 25 should either be a solid starter or excel at a niche such as kick/punt returning, situational pass rushing, etc.  Of these five players, I expect Jones, Motta, Watt, and Calabrese all to be solid starters and in the case of Jones, Watt, and Motta I think they have the potential to be more than solid.  A guy like Lynch might not start but I fully expect him to be a pass rush specialist that makes several big plays throughout the season.


I’m really surprised that Sean Cwynar isn’t listed in the Top 25. In fact, I think if there’s anything I’m certain of, Sean Cwynar is one of the best 25 football players on Notre Dame’s roster. It isn’t a coincidence that the defense not only didn’t miss a beat when Ian Williams went down, but it actually improved. I’m not saying Cwynar was the key to the renaissance, but he’s going to be a very good player on the 2011 Irish. I also had Danny Spond at No. 25, and while I can understand why people haven’t started drinking the Kool-Aid yet, I wouldn’t be surprised if Spond turns into a Chad Greenway type of athlete.

Obviously, Aaron Lynch is the guy that could immediately become a top-ten player on this roster or he’ll be a guy that has some growing pains, likely due to the incredible expectations he helped heap on himself. I have a feeling he’ll be slowly eased into the process, but will make his presence felt early and often in pass-rushing downs. But don’t forget Stephon Tuitt, who didn’t enroll early, but is physically ready to play September 3rd.

Lastly, Carlo Calabrese is at an interesting inflection point. His injury derailed expectations after an impressive redshirt freshman campaign. We’ll find out if he’s ready to become an impact linebacker or a guy that makes plays because he’s lined up next to Manti Te’o.



Counting down the Irish: The top 25 players on the roster

Harrison Smith

As we did last offseason in preparation for fall camp, a group of guys that spend an unnatural amount of time thinking about Notre Dame football tried their best to rank the Irish roster heading into the 2010 season. It was a fun experiment, one that had some hits, some misses, but also reflected the uncertainty that came with a program in transition.

The group reached a near consensus that the top-three players on the Irish roster were Michael Floyd, Kyle Rudolph and Manti Te’o. After that, the top 25 seemed to scatter quite precipitously, a telling sign that nobody was quite sure what Notre Dame was walking into 2010, though they certainly had plenty of optimism.

While you can look back at our rationale at your leisure, here’s my list of the Top 25 players on the roster at this time last year:

  1. TOP 25 IN 2010
  2. 1. Michael Floyd
  3. 2. Kyle Rudolph
  4. 3. Manti Te’o
  5. 4. Chris Stewart
  6. 5. Trevor Robinson
  7. 6. Brian Smith
  8. 7. Armando Allen
  9. 8. Dayne Crist
  10. 9. Darius Fleming
  11. 10. Ian Williams
  12. 11. Kapron Lewis-Moore
  13. 12. Ethan Johnson
  14. 13. Darrin Walls
  15. 14. Cierre Wood
  16. 15. Harrison Smith
  17. 16. Robert Hughes
  18. 17. Jamoris Slaughter
  19. 18. Steve Filer
  20. 19. Duval Kamara
  21. 20. Zack Martin
  22. 21. Theo Riddick
  23. 22. Gary Gray
  24. 23. Taylor Dever
  25. 24. TJ Jones
  26. 25. Nick Tausch


Overall, it wasn’t a terrible effort, though in retrospect it would’ve been fun to predict someone like David Ruffer making his move. That said, if you’re looking for a crystal ball, the closest I came was ranking Harrison Smith at No. 15, probably about ten spots shy of where he ended up, but higher than anybody else ranked him. (He was only ranked by two others.)

This year, I’ve polled members of the Irish blogosphere, infusing some new blood in the proceedings and taking a slightly different approach to rolling out the rankings. Joining me as esteemed talent evaluators are:

Frank Vitovitch of UHND.com
DomerMQ of HerLoyalSons.com
Eric Murtaugh of OneFootDown.com
Matt Mattare of WeNeverGradute.com
Matt & CW of RakesofMallow.com

Each of us ranked our Top 25 players on the roster, and after some fancy spreadsheet work by Frank, we averaged out our rankings and came up with a composite score that rated the collective Top 25 players on the roster.

We’ll roll out players 25-21 later this afternoon, but feel free to poke, prod, belittle, and challenge as we count down the final days before fall camp officially begins.